Pinecrest and IAS entry

[Anonymous]

I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

[Anonymous]

I'm beginnging to feel like many posters are convinced something is going to happen. And perhaps actually want it to happen so that they can say - SEE! WE TOLD YOU!

Where were you people when it was announced a year ago that Pinecrest was going to be the pool for All Stars?

Pinecrest hosted Divisionals last year so at least 5 other pools in Division 6 have known about the pool depth.

Heck, a previous post said Pinecrest has been in Divisions 4-7 the last 10 years so that's a lot of other pools in the top 7 Divisions that have been fully aware of what it is to swim at Pinecrest.

This seems a little hysterical at this point. If you don'y feel comfortable -- don't work, don't swim, and don't come to watch. I'm sure the results of the meet activity will be shared here to catch you up on the spectacle.

And maybe, just maybe another pool will step up for next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

The French Olympic pool has less than 3 foot starts at 80 cm. Not ideal. But it is not just Pinecrest.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand. This pool (and many others) host multiple meets every summer. Does everyone e pull their swimmers for those meets as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

The French Olympic pool has less than 3 foot starts at 80 cm. Not ideal. But it is not just Pinecrest.

No. It’s between 2-3 meters. 80cm less than Tokyo.

Depth: 2 Metres (minimum); 3 metres recommended, when using the pool for multi disciplines
i.e. Artistic Swimming.
According to the French LeParisien , the two 50 m Olympic pools at the Arena Paris La Défense in Nanterre (Hauts-de-Seine) offer a depth of 2.15 meters (about 7 feet, 1/2 inch).
The depth is about 80 centimeters (31.5 inches) less than the pool at the 2020(1) Tokyo Olympics.

https://swimswam.com/paris-swimming-pool-depth-raises-first-concerns-of-2024-olympic-games/#:~:text=Depth%3A%202%20Metres%20%28minimum%29%3B%203%20metres%20recommended%2C%20when,of%202.15%20meters%20%28about%207%20feet%2C%201%2F2%20inch%29.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

The French Olympic pool has less than 3 foot starts at 80 cm. Not ideal. But it is not just Pinecrest.

OMFG that pool is *7 feet* deep.

According to the French LeParisien , the two 50 m Olympic pools at the Arena Paris La Défense in Nanterre (Hauts-de-Seine) offer a depth of 2.15 meters (about 7 feet, 1/2 inch). The depth is about 80 centimeters (31.5 inches) less than the pool at the 2020(1) Tokyo Olympics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm beginnging to feel like many posters are convinced something is going to happen. And perhaps actually want it to happen so that they can say - SEE! WE TOLD YOU!

Where were you people when it was announced a year ago that Pinecrest was going to be the pool for All Stars?

Pinecrest hosted Divisionals last year so at least 5 other pools in Division 6 have known about the pool depth.

Heck, a previous post said Pinecrest has been in Divisions 4-7 the last 10 years so that's a lot of other pools in the top 7 Divisions that have been fully aware of what it is to swim at Pinecrest.

This seems a little hysterical at this point. If you don'y feel comfortable -- don't work, don't swim, and don't come to watch. I'm sure the results of the meet activity will be shared here to catch you up on the spectacle.

And maybe, just maybe another pool will step up for next year.

PP here. No, and I’m offended you would think that. Hearing something bad happened would be very sad. Especially because it is easily preventable. Follow standards from higher level organizations that are better placed to evaluate safety.

I’m not NVSL and did not know about this, but apparently this is real. The NVSL rulebook makes no mention of minimum depth for a headfirst entry.

Children don’t really understand the risks. It is our job as responsible adults to protect them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

We are in PMSL and this is the rule we follow as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New Poster - I have a swimmer in all stars and yes, I think it’s unsafe to dive in 2.5ft.

As a former NVSL swimmer with kids now on NVSL, I’m shocked all stars is at Pinecrest. No shade to Pinecrest, lovely community and appreciate them stepping up and hosting. Yes, I could pull my child from the meet, but it’s the first time they made it and they are super excited. Child is practicing shallow dives all week and praying no child is injured at the event.

Unless your swimmer is in lane 6 the start won’t be 2.5’ deep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

Are they diving off of blocks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

Believe it, Karen. You’re not in NVSL, you don’t have a horse in this race so move along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New Poster - I have a swimmer in all stars and yes, I think it’s unsafe to dive in 2.5ft.

As a former NVSL swimmer with kids now on NVSL, I’m shocked all stars is at Pinecrest. No shade to Pinecrest, lovely community and appreciate them stepping up and hosting. Yes, I could pull my child from the meet, but it’s the first time they made it and they are super excited. Child is practicing shallow dives all week and praying no child is injured at the event.

Unless your swimmer is in lane 6 the start won’t be 2.5’ deep.

None of the starts will be 2.5’ deep. The pool is now overfilled to a minimum depth of 3’. DD swam at pool familiarization this morning and said it was fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

Are they diving off of blocks?

Did you read the rule?

i think you didn’t read the rule, so I will help your lazy a**.

In pools with water depth less than 4’ at the starting end, the swimmer must start in the water.

But it’s totally cool for this meet only because some random Fairfax County resident knows more than an entire national sport federation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New Poster - I have a swimmer in all stars and yes, I think it’s unsafe to dive in 2.5ft.

As a former NVSL swimmer with kids now on NVSL, I’m shocked all stars is at Pinecrest. No shade to Pinecrest, lovely community and appreciate them stepping up and hosting. Yes, I could pull my child from the meet, but it’s the first time they made it and they are super excited. Child is practicing shallow dives all week and praying no child is injured at the event.

Unless your swimmer is in lane 6 the start won’t be 2.5’ deep.

The standard minimum depth that's considered "safe" is 4'5". I highly doubt any of the lanes meet this standard but maybe there are. Regardless, all should be in-pool starts in the name of safe and fair competition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still cannot believe this is real. This is so unsafe. Catastrophic SCI is a lifelong life altering injury.

I’m a USA swimming certified official and anything less than 4’ must be an in water start. (Rule 103.2)

Swimmers who have not yet learned a shallow racing dive must practice in 6’ of water. That practice begins with deck starts. These are summer swimmers. Not all are as proficient as year round swimmers with years of experience.

If I had a child in this meet I would absolutely pull them.

I’m certified as a starter in my summer league and also USAS and if I were an NVSL official I would refuse to work this meet. I would seriously question if my umbrella liability policy would cover me if an injury occurred because I consider forward deck starts into 2.5” grossly negligent.

Are they diving off of blocks?

Did you read the rule?

i think you didn’t read the rule, so I will help your lazy a**.

In pools with water depth less than 4’ at the starting end, the swimmer must start in the water.

But it’s totally cool for this meet only because some random Fairfax County resident knows more than an entire national sport federation.

I don't know why you replied in such a rude, nasty way. I will refrain from name-calling.

I didn't read the rule. I don't know where to find the rule. It was just a question because I imagine diving from a block is different from diving from the deck/side of the pool if the rule is addressing dives off of blocks. I'm not an official. I have a swimmer, but I'm far from having deep knowledge of USA Swimming.