Pinecrest and IAS entry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the big 3 parents were not allowed to just camp out in the bleachers this meet? Or does that only happen at the relay carnival?

This didn't happen at the relay carnival. There was ample, rotating, single-event viewing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The meet was well run and organized-kudos!

Pinecrest is an old school summer pool. Smallish clubhouse with field and tennis courts next to pool within a neighborhood. I think it proved with the right planning and organization many NVSL pools could host such an event. Parking was mainly on the neighborhood streets and spectators didn’t have bleachers on deck that they sat in the entire time. I think if Pinecrest could host such an outstanding event, then many,
many other NVSL clubs (hopefully with a deeper diving end) could host a league wide event. Whatever excuses other clubs have thrown out why they couldn’t, Pinecrest proved you wrong with IAS.

I agree that Pinecrest did a great job. I don't really agree that it shows many could host. Specifically with respect to parking, the neighborhoods surrounding Pinecrest all appeared to have 2 car garages with big driveways. So there was very little parking on the streets from residents and it was all 'open' for the meet. Closer in, this is simply not the case, and the streets are already heavily parked so relying on street parking for this many people would be a zoo. There is also a pool much further out- maybe virginia run, that has an ordinance that doesn't allow parking within 10 feet of someone's mailbox- which similarly really restricts on street parking availability.
Pinecrest had a huge field to set up tent city. It was very nice. I don't actually think that many pools have fields that large. Also, I am very glad it was dry and not muddy- if it had been muddy it would have been a huge mess and the field would have been completely destroyed.

Parking within 10ft of a driveway is actually a Fairfax County ordinance in effect at all times, not a neighborhood specific ordinance.
Fairfax County 82-5-1(a)(2)
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/transportation/parking/parking-restrictions-and-related-issues

Regarding the field, the tents were packed in there, barely an inch to spare. The field was not that large, compared to maybe other club’s field space - Greenbriar, Lincolnia, or Hamlet of recent years.

Again, Pinecrest as well organized and thought out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:. There is also a pool much further out- maybe virginia run, that has an ordinance that doesn't allow parking within 10 feet of someone's mailbox- which similarly really restricts on street parking availability.

That's a Fairfax County rule, not something specific to Virginia Run. Fairfax County 82-5-1(a)(2)

"(a) No person shall park a vehicle, except when necessary to avoid a conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a police officer or traffic-control device, in any of the following places:

(2) In front of, or within ten feet to either side of, a public or private driveway;"

http://fairfaxcounty.elaws.us/code/coor_ch82_art5_sec82-5-1

[Anonymous]

Greembriar did an awesome job with divisionals, didn't feel cramped at alll... would fully trust them to host All Stars, plus they had a solid number of swimmers themselves, despite division status

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the big 3 parents were not allowed to just camp out in the bleachers this meet? Or does that only happen at the relay carnival?

This didn't happen at the relay carnival. There was ample, rotating, single-event viewing.

In addition to the single event viewing at Rutherford during ASR, there was a set of bleachers where some parents were camped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the big 3 parents were not allowed to just camp out in the bleachers this meet? Or does that only happen at the relay carnival?

This didn't happen at the relay carnival. There was ample, rotating, single-event viewing.

In addition to the single event viewing at Rutherford during ASR, there was a set of bleachers where some parents were camped.

Yes, whichever one is orange had everything there blocked off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the big 3 parents were not allowed to just camp out in the bleachers this meet? Or does that only happen at the relay carnival?

This didn't happen at the relay carnival. There was ample, rotating, single-event viewing.

In addition to the single event viewing at Rutherford during ASR, there was a set of bleachers where some parents were camped.

Yes, whichever one is orange had everything there blocked off.

They sure did.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

This is a completely unfair analogy. Teaching kids how to dive safely in a controlled environment does not encourage reckless behavior elsewhere. Riding your bike while texting, or running at night wearing all black is inherently dangerous regardless of context. Whereas shallow water diving can be done safely with proper training and supervision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

This is a completely unfair analogy. Teaching kids how to dive safely in a controlled environment does not encourage reckless behavior elsewhere. Riding your bike while texting, or running at night wearing all black is inherently dangerous regardless of context. Whereas shallow water diving can be done safely with proper training and supervision.

Great, _you_ can supervise. This is just not OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

This is a completely unfair analogy. Teaching kids how to dive safely in a controlled environment does not encourage reckless behavior elsewhere. Riding your bike while texting, or running at night wearing all black is inherently dangerous regardless of context. Whereas shallow water diving can be done safely with proper training and supervision.

If you allow your kids to dive into less than 3 feet of water on the regular, then yes, I’m glad your kids are doing it with “proper training and supervision” in nvsl.

But if you don’t allow your kid to dive into shallow water except at nvsl meets, then why not? They know how to do it safely, no? It is hard to admit, but it’s true - it’s an act of substantive risk that you are tolerating because the experience of having your kids swim in summer rec league is worth it. It’s low risk, but it’s a low risk of a catastrophic outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone can argue that diving into a shallow pool has a certain amount of risk with each dive. The crux of the matter is that eventually, after thousands and thousands of kids continue to dive into 3 feet of water over the years, there will be a serious incident someday. Eventually someone will slip or have bad technique and crash into the bottom. Similarly, if you allow public pools to be open while thunder rumbles, probably everyone will be fine this time, but if every pool keeps it up, eventually disaster will strike.

What is also not great is that every kid who attends “pool familiarization” and successfully dives into 3 feet of water, learns, “hey, 3 feet of water is plenty deep!” and they are more likely to try it again at Timmy’s birthday party or the hotel pool. And if you argue that well, it’s a GOOD thing to learn to dive in shallow water, then go teach your child how to ride a bike while texting or run at night wearing all black. I think this is one of those things that will go by the wayside. Canada is going through it - pools are having to be refurbished to comply with depth requirements.

This is a completely unfair analogy. Teaching kids how to dive safely in a controlled environment does not encourage reckless behavior elsewhere. Riding your bike while texting, or running at night wearing all black is inherently dangerous regardless of context. Whereas shallow water diving can be done safely with proper training and supervision.

No one is teaching kids how to effectively and safely dive into shallow water because it is inherently unsafe to do so. This is summer swim FFS, I know people here act like all the participants are Olympians but the reality is the majority of kids participating are not exceptionally skilled or advanced. What is wrong with you?!

[Anonymous]

Your analogy is flawed. These are examples with many more outside variables. Last I checked, the pool depth was not going actively up up at you.
A more appropriate analogy is competitive diving. The many of the summer divers are just as unskilled as their swimming counterparts. You teach them to be safe as they gradually acquire more skill.
Do bad things happen? Yes. Which is why parents have the ultimate say in whether their child participates. Can you tell your child they can’t dive? Absolutely. Can you scratch your child from a meet where you don’t feel they’re ready? Your prerogative. Stop trying to tell the rest of us what we should be comfortable with.