Anyone following this Candice Miller/Mama & Tata nightmare?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen such a bigger fall in fortune from any socialite. This family lived in a $10 m apartment in tribeca, Hampton home that probably cost as much or more and spent so much money it was insane. Her everyday life seemed better than the best day of your life.

any links to some of the past content?

if you put in mama tata parties on Google you can find some. Here are a few. they had these type of grand parties ALL the time. I am talking 15-20k parties.

h.ttps://fashionablehostess.com/dinner-party-spotlight-mama-tata/

https://mini-magazine.com/kids-coachella-themed-party/

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https://fashionablehostess.com/dinner-party-spotlight-mama-tata/

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It's far too common these days to live off stolen money.

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Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Oh, interesting. I think Arielle had to declare bankruptcy and dissolve her business and the husband is involved in some financial crime/fraud lawsuit. So many of these influencers are living it up just barely avoiding the law and day of reckoning.

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And people hate on Anna Delvey?

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Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Oh, interesting. I think Arielle had to declare bankruptcy and dissolve her business and the husband is involved in some financial crime/fraud lawsuit. So many of these influencers are living it up just barely avoiding the law and day of reckoning.

Oh I didn't know about this! I always liked her but and I thought her content was just getting buried in my feed.

There's something weird about the haters of influencers thats different than old fashioned celebrity. They are wishing for the downfall of these influencers and are practically gleeful to know its all fake or it all fell apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Her deceased husband is cousins with Arielle Charnas's husband. Charnas by marriage. Both named Brandon! Sus family altogether

https://wwd.com/business-news/markets/something-navy-ceo-denies-rumors-that-brandon-charnas-was-embezzling-from-the-company-1235441897/

https://nypost.com/2024/02/08/business/something-navy-influencer-arielle-charnas-husband-facing-doj-probe/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Oh, interesting. I think Arielle had to declare bankruptcy and dissolve her business and the husband is involved in some financial crime/fraud lawsuit. So many of these influencers are living it up just barely avoiding the law and day of reckoning.

Oh I didn't know about this! I always liked her but and I thought her content was just getting buried in my feed.

There's something weird about the haters of influencers thats different than old fashioned celebrity. They are wishing for the downfall of these influencers and are practically gleeful to know its all fake or it all fell apart.

I think it's partially bc celebrities actually do something/ have some talent so they earned their wealth. Influencers...just influence? So it's a performative display of wealth, consumerism and waste, almost an MLM

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Her deceased husband is cousins with Arielle Charnas's husband. Charnas by marriage. Both named Brandon! Sus family altogether

https://wwd.com/business-news/markets/something-navy-ceo-denies-rumors-that-brandon-charnas-was-embezzling-from-the-company-1235441897/

https://nypost.com/2024/02/08/business/something-navy-influencer-arielle-charnas-husband-facing-doj-probe/

One correction- the two Brandons were not cousins. Brandon Miller’s wife Candice is Brandon Charnas’s (wife Arielle) cousin. Their moms are sisters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen such a bigger fall in fortune from any socialite. This family lived in a $10 m apartment in tribeca, Hampton home that probably cost as much or more and spent so much money it was insane. Her everyday life seemed better than the best day of your life.

any links to some of the past content?

if you put in mama tata parties on Google you can find some. Here are a few. they had these type of grand parties ALL the time. I am talking 15-20k parties.

h.ttps://fashionablehostess.com/dinner-party-spotlight-mama-tata/

https://mini-magazine.com/kids-coachella-themed-party/

Thank you!

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I was a partner of Michael Miller Back in the Day I can tell you first Hand he was a low life scammer, didn't pay his bills, tried to screw his partners any which way he could , Hid behind his wife and brother in law, used his son and daughters name, both minors at the time to do various deals and default on them. Although this story is sad the truth is that His son Brandon was a smart kid but spoiled and nasty from what i now hear, no sense of reality i'm not surprised by what happened. He followed in his father's footsteps. This is however a tragedy sad for his wife and children.

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Yes, a ponzi scheme. Then ponzi killed himself when all was revealed.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a partner of Michael Miller Back in the Day I can tell you first Hand he was a low life scammer, didn't pay his bills, tried to screw his partners any which way he could , Hid behind his wife and brother in law, used his son and daughters name, both minors at the time to do various deals and default on them. Although this story is sad the truth is that His son Brandon was a smart kid but spoiled and nasty from what i now hear, no sense of reality i'm not surprised by what happened. He followed in his father's footsteps. This is however a tragedy sad for his wife and children.

Very interesting. Son learns from father. At least it stopped before the daughters married men like their father. I do feel bad for the daughters.

Reddit has blown up. I think someone said an American Greed episode is in the works.

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Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.