Anyone following this Candice Miller/Mama & Tata nightmare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

Sooooo....what I hear you saying is that they gave you stuff (which is often how scammers build relationships early on) so you like them. despite their stealing from other people. its easy to be "generous" when you have a continuous flow of scammed money. but i'm glad you almost got a free wedding venue, that clearly makes everything ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

He tarnished his kids' names by forging documents. How is that ok with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

How brave you, anonymous. You got sucked into the web of deceit.

[Anonymous]

We didn't hold our wedding at the Miller home, and there were no 'gifts.' As both an attorney and now someone involved in NYC RE, and having observed things first hand, I'm seeing things differently and think it's easy to sensationalize and read legal allegations as more than just that.

It's too easy (and ugly) to literally dance on someone's grave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We didn't hold our wedding at the Miller home, and there were no 'gifts.' As both an attorney and now someone involved in NYC RE, and having observed things first hand, I'm seeing things differently and think it's easy to sensationalize and read legal allegations as more than just that.

It's too easy (and ugly) to literally dance on someone's grave.

You may want to ask Jeff to take these posts down. There’s some bored person out there who will track down who you are with too many identifying details.

[Anonymous]

Thanks, but I haven't been in touch with the family since Mike died, and that was the only contact in 15 years. I'm not concerned for me, but am still disgusted. Brandon took his own life and people seem to be enjoying sensationalizing this and the grieving family's plight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never followed but I just saw she's a Charnas cousin. They also spend like crazy. So many influencers do.

Oh, interesting. I think Arielle had to declare bankruptcy and dissolve her business and the husband is involved in some financial crime/fraud lawsuit. So many of these influencers are living it up just barely avoiding the law and day of reckoning.

Oh I didn't know about this! I always liked her but and I thought her content was just getting buried in my feed.

There's something weird about the haters of influencers thats different than old fashioned celebrity. They are wishing for the downfall of these influencers and are practically gleeful to know its all fake or it all fell apart.

I think it's partially bc celebrities actually do something/ have some talent so they earned their wealth. Influencers...just influence? So it's a performative display of wealth, consumerism and waste, almost an MLM

That makes sense. MLM is a good comparison. The influencer urge seems driven by the same one that drives MLM boss babes. Attention and money (maybe) because you look good and can do it without a particular talent or career.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, but I haven't been in touch with the family since Mike died, and that was the only contact in 15 years. I'm not concerned for me, but am still disgusted. Brandon took his own life and people seem to be enjoying sensationalizing this and the grieving family's plight.

Literally no one knew about Mike's passing (except family, friends and collegues) but Candice flaunted their lifrstyle and wealth and made her family public figures. Brandon was complicit in that. He was featured all over her social media. We're well past the 48-hour rule of a celevbs passing so we're free to discuss that here. If they scammed people and committed fraud to prop up their fake lavish lifestyle, then it's a total scandal and up for snark

[Anonymous]

This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

And she deserves this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

this is INSANE. How do you let it get this bad but still have these 10k-20k parties? When you have young kids you can't turn the other to issues this large. She will be in the end. She has family to lean on and will most likely marry rich to keep afloat years from now. But her name has been absoutely tarnished forever.

There was a ponzi scheme in my town and the wife claimed she didn't know. The truth doesn't matter. Everyone talks about her and her kids behind their backs. Every financial move she makes is judged under a microscope and the people who lost money never forget about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

There needs to be a deep dive on the pressure of social media faux-wealth and the suicides surrounding it. NYC influencer Brooke Hill was a beautiful, fashionable lawyer who took her own life just a few months ago. So much glam and glitter can't hide rotten, darkness underneath for long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story is sickening. Apparently their homes have been foreclosed upon. Their prior apartment was foreclosed upon and they’ve been living in one under her husbands company’s name and all the furniture was rented. Word is that on her recent trip to Europe her cards were declined and she couldn’t pay for her hotel in Spain yet went on to France. There is no way. No way. She didn’t know how bad it was. She will have to declare bankruptcy and there will be absolutely nothing left.

this is INSANE. How do you let it get this bad but still have these 10k-20k parties? When you have young kids you can't turn the other to issues this large. She will be in the end. She has family to lean on and will most likely marry rich to keep afloat years from now. But her name has been absoutely tarnished forever.

There was a ponzi scheme in my town and the wife claimed she didn't know. The truth doesn't matter. Everyone talks about her and her kids behind their backs. Every financial move she makes is judged under a microscope and the people who lost money never forget about it.

Ashburn/Leesburg area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let's not be too quick to villify. My family and I used to be very close to the Millers. Mike and Barbara were wonderful generous people, and Mike had some very loyal investors - meaning he came through for them. Mike actually invested in my deals, shared his investors, offered up office space to my young company on favorable terms, and even offered to host my wedding. My basis for what I am writing includes sharing office space with Mike for almost a decade. Mike could be a difficult businessman in a way that appears to be representative of the the NYC real estate world, where few pay their bills or fail to negotatiate. In that uber competitive niche, not every deal works out and not every bill gets paid, but from what I saw with Michael Miller many did, which is probably why he flourished for decades. Mike and Barbara were incredible parents to Brandon and his sister. Brandon was a sweet and personable boy, shy and respectful. At Collegiate and then Brown, he survived academically challenging environments, so he must be smart. The Brandon we knew was not a shark. The last time we saw Brandon was at his wedding, and the last time I saw Mike and Barbara was at our son's bar mitzvah, fifteen years ago.

Real estate investing relies heavily on debt and timing. If the market is floating all boats, leverage through borrowing is wonderful and everyone wins. When the cycle isn't good, then leverage is a death knell. Mike survived a harsh period in his real estate investing and re-established himself, I can see how Brandon might have followed his father's legacy, investing and borrowing into the headwinds of a challenging COVID impacted real estate market where it becomes impossible to refinance properties or sell them for what you paid/invested. From my personal perspective - and that of my family - the Miller's were wonderful people. We are sincerely heartbroken.

Um, no. You described the get rich quick speculators who very much deserve the death knell. The true real estate investors are in for the long term as they assemble their portfolios, looking at potential cash flows, are well diversified, etc, etc.

[Anonymous]

To the PP who knew the parents, I don't know, sometimes you just have to admit that they scammed you, too. You just have to acknowledge that they were not the nice people you thought they were. If even a tenth of what's alleged is true, they were not in fact good people.

A while ago one of my brother's friends's brothers killed his wife. It made the national news for the circumstances, book written, etc. and then of course Dateline. My brother's friend was interviewed and when asked if he visits his brother in prison he said no and that he never will, his brother deserves what he got, etc. I respected him so much. Family and friends are not always worthy of our grace. Sorry not sorry.