APS Proposing Additional Days Off in 24-25 School Year

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Anonymous wrote:APS BLOWS!!

why? because they are following the state requirements to train teachers to teach kids how to read?

You would think a four-year degree in elementary education would cover… teaching a child how to read?

I don’t get it. What do teachers learn in college?!

It’s not that complicated. The method taught in colleges in the past decade has been debunked. So teachers have to relearn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

This podcast provides some background.
https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

I’d think you have a point, but teachers were all amped up on these programs.

I’m in healthcare and reps try to sell us junk all the time. But I actually *am* an expert in my field, so I know better than to bite.

We need to make teacher training more rigorous in the US. The fact that this happened is shameful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

I’d think you have a point, but teachers were all amped up on these programs.

I’m in healthcare and reps try to sell us junk all the time. But I actually *am* an expert in my field, so I know better than to bite.

We need to make teacher training more rigorous in the US. The fact that this happened is shameful.

Most teachers were not amped up on these programs. We don’t have a choice, we have to use them if our district tells us to. I’ve known older teachers who still did phonics as an addition, but younger teachers were never taught that. I was at the very tail end of direct instruction and phonics, Had I been in school a couple years later I wouldn’t have received that training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

I agree but why don’t you go ask them directly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:APS BLOWS!!

why? because they are following the state requirements to train teachers to teach kids how to read?

You would think a four-year degree in elementary education would cover… teaching a child how to read?

I don’t get it. What do teachers learn in college?!

It’s not that complicated. The method taught in colleges in the past decade has been debunked. So teachers have to relearn.

So simple. Costing me $$$ of dollars in remediation and 1:1 tutoring for my ES kid who, wait for it, didn’t learn to read with Covid and Lucy Caulkins. My kid will be fine because I can afford to fix this problem and eventually get child out of APS, but it’s terrifying to me what will happen to others in the same situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

I’d think you have a point, but teachers were all amped up on these programs.

I’m in healthcare and reps try to sell us junk all the time. But I actually *am* an expert in my field, so I know better than to bite.

We need to make teacher training more rigorous in the US. The fact that this happened is shameful.

Most teachers were not amped up on these programs. We don’t have a choice, we have to use them if our district tells us to. I’ve known older teachers who still did phonics as an addition, but younger teachers were never taught that. I was at the very tail end of direct instruction and phonics, Had I been in school a couple years later I wouldn’t have received that training.

+1- when your direct supervisor steps into your room and berates you for not using the curriculum you are supposed to use/ your job is threatened because you are trying to teach kids to read the way you know works instead of the prepackaged curriculum if you have a mortgage, you probably do what they say.

Most of the issues in education currently are that people don’t listen to the ones doing the work with kids. We aren’t idiots, but are definitely (especially in elementary) treated like children by our ‘supervisors”. The power structure is akin to the military, very old school do what the orders say. It needs to change, but may not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

I’d think you have a point, but teachers were all amped up on these programs.

I’m in healthcare and reps try to sell us junk all the time. But I actually *am* an expert in my field, so I know better than to bite.

We need to make teacher training more rigorous in the US. The fact that this happened is shameful.

They will never make teacher training more rigorous as long as the job continues to be undervalued and underpaid. How can it be a rigorous training process when in many states you can’t ever top 70k in a teaching salary even with 30 years experience and a masters degree? A lot about education has to change, none of it can happen in isolation.

[Anonymous]

Teacher credentialing has gotten less rigorous in past few years.

[Anonymous]

I reiterate my point that a significant problem in Arlington specifically is the number of employees paid by APS whose job is “curriculum.” Syphax is bloated with people who do not have any direct contact with our children (and barely any with teachers), and their entire job function centers around reviewing and identifying science, math, LA, etc curriculum; which textbooks is APS using: are teachers trained in the new curriculum; blah blah blah. It’s the same with the APS tech department which is totally a creature unto itself. As a result of employing these people, APS now spends countless taxpayer dollars revisiting, revising, retraining curriculum at all levels. It’s so incredibly wasteful and detrimental to our children. The idea that we as a community want the newest science or reading curriculum to very single year is just nuts. It’s my opinion that if we cut a significant number of these Syphax jobs, parents and teachers and kids would be happier and smarter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Youngkin.

Shittiest governor ever.

Umm what is wrong with you? This is training for the literacy act that was bipartisan. Teachers in Virginia need to start teaching in accordance with the science of reading. Since it’s a whole new way of teaching they need this training. Are you against students learning to read?

I agree with the rest of the PPs. Why November 4? They should just have the training right before or after thanksgiving break. Too many breaks aren’t good for learning.

Um... science of reading isn't that new. It's been pretty standard for at least 10 years. APS has been incredibly slow to adapt a decent curriculum, but this isn't new and many teachers were trained in the science of reading

Foreigner here. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that native English speakers are still figuring out a way to teach reading... People have been reading English for centuries and it's still a mystery how to teach it??!! mind-boggling

I was born in the US and have lived here my entire life. I am also baffled by this.

What you need to understand is how much US education is a for-profit industry. Your children’s education serves to prop up billion dollar testing companies, companies that sell curriculum, textbooks, etc. so every few years, everything changes. All new way to teach = new materials schools have to buy and new tests to assess what they learned.

You’re looking at education through the lens of just teaching kids. You have to look at it as a massive money making industry to understand why it works the way it does in the US. Like everything else here, it goes back to making companies money.

-teacher

But, it’s not like teaching kids to read is new. How were “experts” so easily duped into buying faulty curricula? Seems like “experts” should’ve known better and not fallen for new, shiny things that harmed millions of kids.

Of course they did. Because again, it all comes down to money. Lucy Calkins and NY Teaching College made a ton of money selling that curriculum to schools. Pearson made tons of money making materials and tests for it. Many people knew all along the workshop model wasn’t the best way to teach kids to read but teachers don’t control the profit of education. Everything bad about education traces back to profit . Who profits and off what is the only question.

I’d think you have a point, but teachers were all amped up on these programs.

I’m in healthcare and reps try to sell us junk all the time. But I actually *am* an expert in my field, so I know better than to bite.

We need to make teacher training more rigorous in the US. The fact that this happened is shameful.

These companies also tapped into teacher frustration with not feeling valued. Lucy Calkins' centered the teacher. Districts sent teachers to Columbia University to get trained and come back to train other teachers. Imagine you're a teacher and you have a curriculum reinforcing that you are the expert and maybe you get picked to go to Columbia University for PD and now you're one of the district experts leading training? Listen to Sold A Story. Talks about how teachers got fooled by it.

[Anonymous]

The 4-day weekend in January is great for skiers!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I reiterate my point that a significant problem in Arlington specifically is the number of employees paid by APS whose job is “curriculum.” Syphax is bloated with people who do not have any direct contact with our children (and barely any with teachers), and their entire job function centers around reviewing and identifying science, math, LA, etc curriculum; which textbooks is APS using: are teachers trained in the new curriculum; blah blah blah. It’s the same with the APS tech department which is totally a creature unto itself. As a result of employing these people, APS now spends countless taxpayer dollars revisiting, revising, retraining curriculum at all levels. It’s so incredibly wasteful and detrimental to our children. The idea that we as a community want the newest science or reading curriculum to very single year is just nuts. It’s my opinion that if we cut a significant number of these Syphax jobs, parents and teachers and kids would be happier and smarter.

AMEN