Where do Above average Kids go to College from Jackson Reed?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on acceptances and commitments this year at JR, it seems the popular schools are Penn State, UofCO Boulder, Tulane, Wisconsin, Oregon

My kid had a 3.5 from a local very rigorous private, not with the most rigorous course load, and was rejected from Boulder and Wisconsin and WL at Penn State. I find it hard to believe that average kids from JR would get into Wisconsin.

Wisconsin has an 18% OOS acceptance rate. Not easy but definitely not impossible and I would imagine more kids from JR are likely to accept an offer.

Scrolling through the JR 2024 Insta I think I counted six kids who are headed to Madison this fall. And the Insta is a student volunteering the info kind of thing. So there are probably one or two more who haven't posted.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

Just because your kid could, and did, dial it in for those grades doesn't mean that every kid does. I have two kids with different personalities, different capabilities, with different outcomes, so I would never presume one of those kids was representative of the entire student body.

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That's actually not true, even. My senior has at least one teacher who dings for late work.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

It’s hilarious that you keep telling us about your lazy kid who coasted through school, and you think the rest of us are supposed to see that as an indictment of JR rather than your child and your parenting. LOL, truly.

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Anonymous wrote:That's actually not true, even. My senior has at least one teacher who dings for late work.

Gives zeros?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

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Anonymous wrote:That's actually not true, even. My senior has at least one teacher who dings for late work.

Gives zeros?

Doesn't DCPS have a 63% as the lowest allowable grade?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

How is this not still a retake?

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

How is this not still a retake?

Do I love the retakes? I do not. However, because most of my JR kid’s teachers have ceilings of 85 percent on retakes there is at least some incentive to study/try hard the first time (and I do understand wanting to incentivize kids to learn the things they aren’t undertaking).

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

How is this not still a retake?

Do I love the retakes? I do not. However, because most of my JR kid’s teachers have ceilings of 85 percent on retakes there is at least some incentive to study/try hard the first time (and I do understand wanting to incentivize kids to learn the things they aren’t undertaking).

I do love retakes, for this very reason. The point is to learn the material. If a retake means a kid makes the effort to understand something they didn’t get on the first try, I’m all for it. A kid who cares enough to pursue, prepare for, and succeed on a retake is going to be an engaged and successful student.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

How is this not still a retake?

Do I love the retakes? I do not. However, because most of my JR kid’s teachers have ceilings of 85 percent on retakes there is at least some incentive to study/try hard the first time (and I do understand wanting to incentivize kids to learn the things they aren’t undertaking).

I do love retakes, for this very reason. The point is to learn the material. If a retake means a kid makes the effort to understand something they didn’t get on the first try, I’m all for it. A kid who cares enough to pursue, prepare for, and succeed on a retake is going to be an engaged and successful student.

The problem is that a lot of kids don’t try the first time and there are no retakes in college. So having a ceiling on the points you can earn the second time around seems to be a balanced approach.

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Retakes are a suck on teachers' limited time. I want kids to do the work the first time so they don't slow down the class and waste the teacher's time with emails and conversations about logistics just because some kid couldn't be bothered in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks and yeah I have looked at the Instagram I just don’t know what grades the kids have to go to ivies (not my kids goal) vs UMD, etc.

My 3.5 GPA kid at a DCPS applied/accepted at Liberal Arts Schools that are mid-tier (example - Kenyon, Macalester, Occidental)

These are the same schools for a 3.5 (class average) from NCS or Sidwell. Although those kids will work about 5 times (more?) as hard for the same GPA. To begin with, they will have needed a 4.0 from Deal (and top extracurriculars) to even get into NCS/Sidwell, then they will have worked exceedingly hard for 4 years---no late work ever (or it's a zero), no retakes, long (10 and 20 page) papers that are graded like they're in an upper level college course, 3 hours of homework a night, 1500+ SAT, multiple 5s on APs). But then they'll end up in the same schools as a JR kid who completely phones in high school and gets a 3.5.

It's interesting. Or something. I've had kids at both and we're deliberating what to do with kid 3.

Your kids aren’t entitled to anything because you paid $70k a year for HS. Also, that’s really $hitty to say that kids are dialing it in at that level. If that was the case everyone would have a 4.4w and be looking at top-25 schools. This isn’t an arms race. If you don’t like JR’s college placement that’s on you.

Chill out. I speak from experience. My JR (then known as Wilson) kid completely dialed it in for a 3.5. It wasn't difficult in the least to get these grades and from my experience it's only gotten easier since. Work can be turned in any time without any grade ding, retakes, a grading system that rounds up an A- quarter and a B+ quarter to an A-, etc) All these things makes it almost impossible to not succeed unless you're actually not doing the work.

This poster’s info is admittedly several years out of date, and doesn’t even mention the level of class. My students have gotten good grades in hard classes after working hard at it. You are allowed to retake a test only after meeting the teacher for tutoring and scheduling the retake on your own personal time . It takes a lot of persistence and demonstration of mastery of the subject to get an A in an AP class these days.

How is this not still a retake?

Do I love the retakes? I do not. However, because most of my JR kid’s teachers have ceilings of 85 percent on retakes there is at least some incentive to study/try hard the first time (and I do understand wanting to incentivize kids to learn the things they aren’t undertaking).

I do love retakes, for this very reason. The point is to learn the material. If a retake means a kid makes the effort to understand something they didn’t get on the first try, I’m all for it. A kid who cares enough to pursue, prepare for, and succeed on a retake is going to be an engaged and successful student.

The problem is that a lot of kids don’t try the first time and there are no retakes in college. So having a ceiling on the points you can earn the second time around seems to be a balanced approach.

Oh, agreed—I think the 86 ceiling makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Retakes are a suck on teachers' limited time. I want kids to do the work the first time so they don't slow down the class and waste the teacher's time with emails and conversations about logistics just because some kid couldn't be bothered in the first place.

You seem to have a really low opinion of students. My kids try the first time and are usually very successful. The fact that they can do a retake on the occasions when they aren’t gives them an incentive to go back and figure out what they didn’t get rather than just moving on to the next thing. Hard to imagine most of the kids who chronically can’t be bothered in the first place are going to spend the time and energy on lots of retakes.