Different Cornell University Colleges
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Anonymous
| I guess my question is whether the state contracted colleges are easier to get into in-state vs out-of-state (I understand that OOS don't get the in-state tuition)....but when looking at the acceptance rates should I assume they are longer for my OOS kid? |
Anonymous
Cornell grad here who grew up in NY. Never heard that in my life. |
Anonymous
you know this is true for lots of colleges. UChicago has a program to take Chicago kids. Penn has a huge program to take Philly kids. never mind every other kind of hook. ever see the numbers of Princeton, NJ kids who get into Princeton? And yet - still an Ivy |
Anonymous
At $46k per year, the "in-state tuition" is really more of a discount off private tuition. No public university in the country comes anywhere close to charging $46k per year tuition for instate students. |
Anonymous
Heard this where I grew up in the 80s and into the 90s. Maybe things have changed, but people seemed to be clear back then that the grad schools and the more specific schools other than sciences were not Ivy League. The idea was that the other Ivies were all liberal arts colleges, so only the liberal arts focused college at Cornell was considered Ivy. |
Anonymous
Curious where you grew up, because I was in the NY metro suburbs in that time frame at a school that sent a couple dozen kids to Cornell every year and never heard that. |
Anonymous
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I grew up in NY and went to Cornell A&S and my DMV kid is there now, also in A&S, so zero ax to grind here but a fair amount of knowledge. The notion that the contract schools are not Ivy League schools is bizarre and ridiculous. As others have said, the Ivy League is a sports league, and the sports teams are comprised of students from all of the schools. And in response to the poster who commented that other Ivies are liberal arts -- nobody seems to be suggesting that Cornell's engineering school is not Ivy League. But even more, all the diplomas are from the same, Cornell University. Neither I nor any of my friends thought of our friends in Ag or Human ecology as attending a different University or different level of university, and I've never heard my kid, there now, say that either. And I have NEVER heard of an employer even questioning someone about which college from cornell they went to.
For sure, as someone from my era said, many NYS residents went to Ag and took Ag Ec if they were interested in going into business rather than spend more money for a straight Econ degree in A&S, and the same for pre-med students who took the Ag bio major instead of the A&S one. From what my kid tells me, that continues, with most of their NYS friends being in the Ag school. No doubt, especially for NYS residents, it's easier to get into Ag and Human Ecology than into Engineering and A&S, but there's also a difference between the acceptance rates for Engineering and A&S for everyone. To answer OP's questions: first, although you can see published acceptance rates and it's clear that the state schools give some preference for NYS students, I've never seen anything that actually says what the different rates are. And I know top OOS students rejected from those schools. Second, and more importantly for your purposes, know that Cornell has one of the best Vet schools in the country, as well as a terrific Animal Science program in the Ag school, and so I would not at all assume that the rate of admission for OOS pre-vet students would equal the published rate of acceptance for Ag in general. That type of question really should be posed to the Admissions office or a college counselor. Also be aware that Ag is one of the Cornell schools that will still be test blind for this Fall's applications. Finally, I would choose which school to apply to there based on acceptance rates unless you are truly interested in what that school offers. While you can take classes in different schools while there, you can only major in your own school's offerings, and there is a credit limit on the number of out of school classes you can take, as well as very different requirements for each school. And although internal transfer is possible, it is not guaranteed and I believe generally requires an application, as well as available space, so probably not something to count on. |
Anonymous
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PP: I would NOT choose based on acceptance rates
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Anonymous
Same for all private colleges in an urban area (Northwestern; Emory; WashU)…. |
Anonymous
OP here- this is all very helpful. DC would only consider Cornell because of the specific program in the Human Ecology program, not as a back door to the university as a whole. We were just trying to figure out whether it should be an ED contender, so need to have a general sense of acceptance rates. My sense is that it is still going to be too much of a long shot for an unhooked OOS kid--even one whose profile looks pretty perfect for this program--but maybe they should go ahead and apply RD if their ED doesn't work out. Thanks to all who provided valuable insights. |
Anonymous
Heard the same from friends who are alums from 18,20 yrs ago, they consider only A&S and Engineering as ivy level. Their school, their interpretation i suppose. |
Anonymous
Again, who is “everyone”? So you’re at a dinner party and you say you went to Cornell. They say, what college and you said, oh the ILR school. They say oh that’s not a real ivy, I graduated from A&S? For real, that never happens and if it does, it says more about the other person. |
Anonymous
| My child goes to Cornell and has never expressed any thoughts like that. |
Anonymous
I am an A&S grad from 25 years ago. Whoever thinks this is really pathetic and I’m afraid of how their viewpoint gets manifested. |
Anonymous
| I'm a Cornell alum and my daughter is at Cornell engineering now. People get confused -- state contracted does not mean State school. Cornell is compensated by the state for running certain of the Cornell colleges, which are at a discounted price for New York state residents. |