Nevertheles, the PP's point is valid. Public schools students run rings around private in math. |
Did any private school students compete in the US Math Olympiad? Seems like they only excel in areas where their parents can pay their way. |
The don’t need nonsense competitions to be successful. Private school kids are much more well rounded and have a lower percentage of Asians. |
Let's be honest and tell it like it is. Asian students run rings around everyone else in math. Look at the winners and they are almost all Asian. Asian parents put their kids in the most competitive public schools to get the best education they can for their children. It doesn't have anything to do with public school math being better in elementary schools. Then in secondary there is a demand for higher level math because so many students have studied math outside of school. This is why the no homework/less homework is really an awful way to increase equity for poor students as well as Latino and Black students. I was the third grade teacher who made sure my students really learned math facts. When I was growing up I lived in a city with many Asian immigrants. My Latino parents thought the schools were in charge of education and they didn't need to do extra. I always excelled in math so I was in the top math groups. By high school I started thinking maybe I wasn't that good in math, but finally realized that many of my Asian classmates were going to Saturday language and math school as well as private summer math classes run by members of their ethnic groups. They had access to the math instructors textbook to check all of their answers. They could keep working at a problem until they got the correct answer. So when I became a third grade teacher I wanted to be able for my students to have extra work as well. Besides math facts I offered extra math work to anyone who wanted it. Many of my top students and their parents loved getting extra work- maybe 5 out of 25 students. Just because others didn't want to do or were unable to do the extra work shouldn't mean no one gets the opportunity to get extra work. In 4th grade a teacher from Peru who worked at my school did the same. By the time they were in 5th grade and math tracking started our students were excelling in math. So many of the students who went from my class to the Peruvian teacher's class were the top students in the grade. If we could have continued helping these families supplement in math, these kids would could have ensured theses students stayed in the top math classes when they went on to the junior high and were combined with higher income kids with more resources. If instead of paying for all this equity training for teachers and having countless administrators if school districts paid for any FARM student to enroll in Kumon then AOPS they would see so many underrepresented students excel. It also should be a requirement that every math curriculum used has WORKED EXAMPLES so that if a student is absent or they don't understand the problems or weren't paying attention they can still go home and look at the worked examples and figure out what to do. Or their parents can figure out how to help them. Eureka math for the most part does NOT have worked examples. It makes absolutely no sense that students do not have math textbooks besides workbooks. |
Eureka does have examples of how to solve problems in the Succeed/Homework book. They’re called the “Homework Helper” pages and are included for every lesson in the homework book. |
The teacher book and others are also online so you can in fact see all the problems worked out. |
Thinking is great but at some point you need to know your facts. |
| And public school pays for IXL and Khan Academy is free. The complaint here from parents are people who were too lazy to tell their kids to do the work, but think that being threatened with failure by teachers for not doing work will somehow motivate their children who don't care about school, even though failing the tests isn't motivation enough, and even though their parents who don't care about motivating work ethic. |
Quite stark difference in outcomes. We could have 25% matriculations too if they excluded and expelled everyone who wasn't scoring highly like the "top" privates do. But you're from a private school so I wouldn't expect you to understand math. |
Quite stark difference in incomes. We could have 25% matriculations too if they excluded and expelled everyone who wasn't scoring highly like the "top" privates do. But you're from a private school so I wouldn't expect you to understand math. |
And vice versa. But a calculator can do math facts for you, but can't think for you. |
As an educated adult I realize that and I also can easily find online videos that match whatever lessons they are on. A second grade would have to be able to actually read well to independently complete MATH homework. There should be an actual textbook that reviews how to do the problem with worked examples in the TEXTBOOK. And the homeworker helper examples are so wordy that they often aren't helpful at all. These are some examples of homework directions from the second grade book: "In the following problems separate the rows or columns with horizontal or vertical lines...Draw an array of X's with 2 more rows of 3 than the array in Problem 3. Write a repeated addition equations to find the total number of X's" You can't easily look at the picture and really figure out what to do. If you plug those word into a readability formula publishers use to gauge what grade level text is like the FLESCH-KINCAID grade level readability scoring system it is SEVENTH GRADE! How is a second grader supposed to really understand what to do? And it is such a waste of time to draw x's. Why don't kids have colorful math textbooks that aren't so wordy to go along with math workbooks? This is why math scores are never going to go up overall for disadvantaged students. For all this talk of equity, giving students this type of math program is so unfair. |
| This doesn't go far enough. Homework does not improve outcomes for elementary school kids, especially early elementary. All it does is stress out kids and families, and take limited weekday afternoon/evening time away from things that are actually valuable for little kids, like playing outside, spending time with family, reading or being read to, etc. Elementary school teachers and schools should be required to strictly limit homework or drop it entirely (except for occasional specific instances when it is useful, perhaps a few times a year), at least for K-2. |
Elementary kids are not “thinkers.” They are extremely concrete in their thinking. They have two jobs at this age (in school): to develop skills and to build up a knowledge base of facts and concepts that can be used later in abstract thought. Worksheets help with both of these. |
| Yes homework is important and the quality of homework is important. It's about starting early and slowly building up their self study skills. What's going to happen to all these kids when they're in HS and have 2-4 hours of homework? Or in college when most of their work and study is outside of the classroom? |