Do you trust Boeing with your life?

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Where can you check an upcoming flight to see if you are on a Boeing Max? Thanks!

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Yet y'all keep thinking unfettered capitalism is the way to go... imagine that...

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Capitalism with a capital C.

And those who only care about lower taxes and stock prices vote Republican , which comes with lax regulation…so yeah.

Connect the dots and vote accordingly.

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I'm not sure that it's possible to avoid flying Boeing airplanes. For those that think Airbus is going to save you, you should be aware that Boeing and Airbus have a lot of the same subcontractors and suppliers. Maybe Airbus is doing better quality control of its subcontractors and suppliers, but an Airbus plane isn't designed all that differently from a Boeing plane. Moreover, Airbus doesn't even have the capacity to build all the planes that airlines are requesting. The bigger underlying problem is that we have allowed mergers and consolidation to the point where there are no meaningful alternatives.

This is a long winded way of saying that more aggressive antitrust enforcement is warranted so that we don't end up in this situation where there is no real choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can you check an upcoming flight to see if you are on a Boeing Max? Thanks!

It usually tells you in the trip details when you book the flight, or on the airline website. However they can change aircraft type without telling you.

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

You're kidding, right? I need to drive. I don't need to fly on a specific aircraft or specific airline.

Not really- I sometimes go weeks without getting in a car. We all make choices and implicit risk calculations. You have accepted the relatively large underlying risk of car accidents as part of your life, likely because of where you live- which is totally understandable in America. But you are trying to reduce a much much smaller level of risk by controlling for type of airplane or manufacturer or airline. Of course you probably don't "have to" ever get on an airplane, but you choose to because it's faster and easier.

We all take these trade-offs all the time- usually it's more risk for less money. I have sometimes driven to New York instead of taking the train, because it was much cheaper for last minute trip. I knew my personal safety risk was much higher for driving, and accepted that, for better or worse, because of the lower cost.

I just think it's funny to be parsing out risk for things with billion to one odds, when you have much higher risk activities you undertake on an almost daily basis, that you could radically reduce your risk much more by cutting back/down.

I have a masters degree in risk management, thanks. But I also spent 10 years looking at the (sorry for the TMI, but literally bloody) results of flights gone wrong. I lower my driving risk by not driving drunk or fatigued, and I lower my aviation risk by not flying certain aircraft. I don't fly v-tail Bonanzas as a pilot because of their poor climb-out characteristics, either - are you going to criticize me for that?

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I'm staying off those 787 Dreamliners.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure that it's possible to avoid flying Boeing airplanes. For those that think Airbus is going to save you, you should be aware that Boeing and Airbus have a lot of the same subcontractors and suppliers. Maybe Airbus is doing better quality control of its subcontractors and suppliers, but an Airbus plane isn't designed all that differently from a Boeing plane. Moreover, Airbus doesn't even have the capacity to build all the planes that airlines are requesting. The bigger underlying problem is that we have allowed mergers and consolidation to the point where there are no meaningful alternatives.

This is a long winded way of saying that more aggressive antitrust enforcement is warranted so that we don't end up in this situation where there is no real choice.

SQA is a huge aspect of manufacturing, and yes, it's absolutely the case that some companies control it better than others.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I do because I travel a lot and don't really have a choice on planes. Honestly I don't even look at what model of plane I am on.

This. I can see how one can try to avoid flying on the Max, but it’s hard to avoid all Boeing.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I do because I travel a lot and don't really have a choice on planes. Honestly I don't even look at what model of plane I am on.

This. I can see how one can try to avoid flying on the Max, but it’s hard to avoid all Boeing.

I commute weekly and haven't flown anything but an A321 in two years. It absolutely depends on the airline and route.

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We have a trip out west at the end of the month. All four flights were on 737 Max9s. I was able to change one to a 757 but can't change the others and get there in time/together.

I don't feel great about it but in reality, if Boeing is a bad egg what's the difference in model? I feel conflicted.

A pilot friend basically said "I understand your concerns and I would still fly."

My biggest concern at this time is the flights getting pulled.

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

You're kidding, right? I need to drive. I don't need to fly on a specific aircraft or specific airline.

Not really- I sometimes go weeks without getting in a car. We all make choices and implicit risk calculations. You have accepted the relatively large underlying risk of car accidents as part of your life, likely because of where you live- which is totally understandable in America. But you are trying to reduce a much much smaller level of risk by controlling for type of airplane or manufacturer or airline. Of course you probably don't "have to" ever get on an airplane, but you choose to because it's faster and easier.

We all take these trade-offs all the time- usually it's more risk for less money. I have sometimes driven to New York instead of taking the train, because it was much cheaper for last minute trip. I knew my personal safety risk was much higher for driving, and accepted that, for better or worse, because of the lower cost.

I just think it's funny to be parsing out risk for things with billion to one odds, when you have much higher risk activities you undertake on an almost daily basis, that you could radically reduce your risk much more by cutting back/down.

I have a masters degree in risk management, thanks. But I also spent 10 years looking at the (sorry for the TMI, but literally bloody) results of flights gone wrong. I lower my driving risk by not driving drunk or fatigued, and I lower my aviation risk by not flying certain aircraft. I don't fly v-tail Bonanzas as a pilot because of their poor climb-out characteristics, either - are you going to criticize me for that?

That's great because if those 10 years were between 2009-2024, not a single one of those bloody results would have been on commercial flights in the US (other than a single person on that Southwest plane in 2018 where the engine failed).

If you avoid United/Boeing and that leads you to taking a flight with a connection instead of a nonstop, I'll bet you are multiplying your risk by 10x by adding another set of takeoff/landing. Let me know if I got the numbers right on that.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I do because I travel a lot and don't really have a choice on planes. Honestly I don't even look at what model of plane I am on.

This. I can see how one can try to avoid flying on the Max, but it’s hard to avoid all Boeing.

I commute weekly and haven't flown anything but an A321 in two years. It absolutely depends on the airline and route.

Almost everything I book only has options for Boeing. Or it would be a much more inconvenient time to fly on Airbus.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can you check an upcoming flight to see if you are on a Boeing Max? Thanks!

It usually tells you in the trip details when you book the flight, or on the airline website. However they can change aircraft type without telling you.

And especially common to change between 737 types, because most US airlines have tens/hundreds of each type, they seat similar numbers of people (so swapping them isn't a big deal in terms of moving people around on flights), and pilots are generally rated on all types.

[Anonymous]

I've always known what aircraft I'm flying and often make flight choices because of that info. Maybe because one of my first clients was an airline.