Do you trust Boeing with your life?

[Anonymous]

You're treating all Boeing planes alike. How about the 757, which was last produced in 2004? They are used heavily by United, especially on trans-con flights. Was Boeing bad when they designed or built that plane 20 years ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-dead

Not a good look for Boeing.


This man was in the middle of depositions in his whistleblower case against Boeing. What a coincidence, he's found suicided.

This is very disturbing.

[Anonymous]

Why only Boeing? How come other airlines seem to have their act together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-dead

Not a good look for Boeing.

“Suicide”.

[Anonymous]

I fly Airbus.

Boeing has a long history of cutting corners for profit.

Please see John Oliver's lecture here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why only Boeing? How come other airlines seem to have their act together?

Because they didn't merge with mcdonel douglas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're treating all Boeing planes alike. How about the 757, which was last produced in 2004? They are used heavily by United, especially on trans-con flights. Was Boeing bad when they designed or built that plane 20 years ago?

I have a flight on a 757 coming up, and not worried. They were built when Boeing was good. The issue is the newer plans—the Dreamliner, the Max etc, that are clearly lacking in the QC department. To people asking why not other airlines, these obviously aren’t airlines but major manufacturers, and so there are two choices. Airbus or this now shitty conglomerate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're treating all Boeing planes alike. How about the 757, which was last produced in 2004? They are used heavily by United, especially on trans-con flights. Was Boeing bad when they designed or built that plane 20 years ago?

I have a flight on a 757 coming up, and not worried. They were built when Boeing was good. The issue is the newer plans—the Dreamliner, the Max etc, that are clearly lacking in the QC department. To people asking why not other airlines, these obviously aren’t airlines but major manufacturers, and so there are two choices. Airbus or this now shitty conglomerate.

Which cutoff date do you use for Boeing becoming bad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

You're kidding, right? I need to drive. I don't need to fly on a specific aircraft or specific airline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-dead

Not a good look for Boeing.

“Suicide”.

I noticed even the news media is putting the "self inflected" in quotes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

You're kidding, right? I need to drive. I don't need to fly on a specific aircraft or specific airline.

Not really- I sometimes go weeks without getting in a car. We all make choices and implicit risk calculations. You have accepted the relatively large underlying risk of car accidents as part of your life, likely because of where you live- which is totally understandable in America. But you are trying to reduce a much much smaller level of risk by controlling for type of airplane or manufacturer or airline. Of course you probably don't "have to" ever get on an airplane, but you choose to because it's faster and easier.

We all take these trade-offs all the time- usually it's more risk for less money. I have sometimes driven to New York instead of taking the train, because it was much cheaper for last minute trip. I knew my personal safety risk was much higher for driving, and accepted that, for better or worse, because of the lower cost.

I just think it's funny to be parsing out risk for things with billion to one odds, when you have much higher risk activities you undertake on an almost daily basis, that you could radically reduce your risk much more by cutting back/down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I consciously do not fly United or the Max anymore, but other than that, no issues for me.

Cool, so you never ride in a car either, right? Also never swim?

I worked in safety at the NTSB after a short stint as an airline pilot, but keep acting like you know everything.

How are you mitigating the 1000x higher risk of death from participating in those activities, versus flying on a Boeing airplane?

You're kidding, right? I need to drive. I don't need to fly on a specific aircraft or specific airline.

Not really- I sometimes go weeks without getting in a car. We all make choices and implicit risk calculations. You have accepted the relatively large underlying risk of car accidents as part of your life, likely because of where you live- which is totally understandable in America. But you are trying to reduce a much much smaller level of risk by controlling for type of airplane or manufacturer or airline. Of course you probably don't "have to" ever get on an airplane, but you choose to because it's faster and easier.

We all take these trade-offs all the time- usually it's more risk for less money. I have sometimes driven to New York instead of taking the train, because it was much cheaper for last minute trip. I knew my personal safety risk was much higher for driving, and accepted that, for better or worse, because of the lower cost.

I just think it's funny to be parsing out risk for things with billion to one odds, when you have much higher risk activities you undertake on an almost daily basis, that you could radically reduce your risk much more by cutting back/down.

Oh and no Boeing apologist here. What they have done, with some obvious regulatory capture at the FAA, is appalling and should and may result in jail time. But flying commercially is so much safer than any other option, and still most Boeing planes are safe enough that I am not willing to parse out the differences. Both can be true, and I think are.

[Anonymous]

I guess I do because I travel a lot and don't really have a choice on planes. Honestly I don't even look at what model of plane I am on.