Yield rates, some surprises

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nice list. The obvious point that the data informs is how attractive the school is to top students. Notre Dame is the clear top choice among Catholics.

Northeastern has the same EDI and EDII as BU but a much higher yield.

Rice and Harvey Mudd are question marks. Maybe Harvey Mudd has a crossover with Cal Tech? Rice one would think would be higher, especially because they do ED.

Among publics, UVA is right in line with its peers.

But, what percentage of its class does each school take ED? That is the real question. You can't compare all ED schools in desirability just because they have ED.

exactly. UChicago needs a big asterisk next to it. Although they aren't transparent about the data (wonder why??) it is known they take nearly their entire class ED1 ED2 ED3 (waitlist). Their RD acceptance rate by design is less than 1%. These tactics give the appearance that the school is more selective and desirable than it truly is. Would love to know the yield of their RD admits (non waitlist) That would be more telling

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Comparing yield rates of ED and EA schools doesn't make a lot of sense if you're trying to get a sense of where students would attend if they had a CHOICE among multiple schools.

To compare UChicago, where the vast majority of the class is admitted ED and thus compelled to attend, to MIT, where all admits have the choice to attend or not, seems odd. IMO, MIT's 85% yield is far more remarkable than Chicago's 88%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comparing yield rates of ED and EA schools doesn't make a lot of sense if you're trying to get a sense of where students would attend if they had a CHOICE among multiple schools.

To compare UChicago, where the vast majority of the class is admitted ED and thus compelled to attend, to MIT, where all admits have the choice to attend or not, seems odd. IMO, MIT's 85% yield is far more remarkable than Chicago's 88%.

+100

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Yield is a nice tool to help estimate class sizes for institutions. But none of these schools listed, and many not listed, have any problem filling their classes up with strong student bodies. With all the manipulation of guaranteed admits that many privates and some publics use, yield rates should not be used as a proxy for quality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone who is not a college administrator or admissions officer care about yield rate?

Why do we care about anything? The data shows how "desirable" a school is. Use it for what it shows, or don't use it. It is just data.

Then why are people bemoaning ED rates? That shows the ultimate "desirability" -- the applicant chose that school over all possible others.

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This is data for last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is data for last year.

It doesn’t change that much year to year, but, if anything, ED is only getting stronger. Students and parents are tired of the randomness of EA and RD.

[Anonymous]

Middlebury is 47% for the overall class (per your source). 41% includes only September matriculants.

[Anonymous]

It looks like UChicago has something funky going on. They don't report their early decision data at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It looks like UChicago has something funky going on. They don't report their early decision data at all.

Right, because it’s embarrassing. The class is almost completely filled with ED applicants.

I still think it’s a wonderful place for the right kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like UChicago has something funky going on. They don't report their early decision data at all.

Right, because it’s embarrassing. The class is almost completely filled with ED applicants.

I still think it’s a wonderful place for the right kid.

Does anyone know why they don't report the data? It seems like everyone else does.

[Anonymous]

This list should have three sections. First, all schools that have ED1 and ED2, with their yields. Second schools that offer only one ED round and their yields and third schools that do not offer any EDs and their yield. It will also be useful to know what percentage of students are taken via binding decision. I think Chicago takes close to 90% ED1 and ED2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like UChicago has something funky going on. They don't report their early decision data at all.

Right, because it’s embarrassing. The class is almost completely filled with ED applicants.

I still think it’s a wonderful place for the right kid.

Does anyone know why they don't report the data? It seems like everyone else does.

Because they don't want to reveal that 99% of their class is admitted through ED...and that they only admit approximately 100-250 from RD pool (not RD waitlists that ultimately enroll after being offered a spot if and after they commit)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Comparing yield rates of ED and EA schools doesn't make a lot of sense if you're trying to get a sense of where students would attend if they had a CHOICE among multiple schools.

To compare UChicago, where the vast majority of the class is admitted ED and thus compelled to attend, to MIT, where all admits have the choice to attend or not, seems odd. IMO, MIT's 85% yield is far more remarkable than Chicago's 88%.

they are "compelled to attend" because they chose to apply ED. why are kids applying ED if they don't want to attend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Comparing yield rates of ED and EA schools doesn't make a lot of sense if you're trying to get a sense of where students would attend if they had a CHOICE among multiple schools.

To compare UChicago, where the vast majority of the class is admitted ED and thus compelled to attend, to MIT, where all admits have the choice to attend or not, seems odd. IMO, MIT's 85% yield is far more remarkable than Chicago's 88%.

they are "compelled to attend" because they chose to apply ED. why are kids applying ED if they don't want to attend?

Oh I don’t know. Maybe it’s because they are, for the most part, 17 year old minors who are afraid of being shutout of a top school unless they ED?