To Police Report or Not to Police Report?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think folks are following the original thread that prompted this one when they claim it's over reacting.

The OP of the original thread has a 2nd grader who was choked by a classmate; the same classmate also told the kid he had a knife and would "cut him open."

These are not run of the mill behavior problems in 2nd grade. Considering a 6 year old bought a gun to school and shot their teacher in VA last year, I'd say I'd take that degree of physicality (choking, threatening with a weapon) super seriously and consider a police report.

That's because you are a nutter, equating the one 6 year old in the history of the country who shot a teacher with every other 2nd grader.

Hello, adult bully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think folks are following the original thread that prompted this one when they claim it's over reacting.

The OP of the original thread has a 2nd grader who was choked by a classmate; the same classmate also told the kid he had a knife and would "cut him open."

These are not run of the mill behavior problems in 2nd grade. Considering a 6 year old bought a gun to school and shot their teacher in VA last year, I'd say I'd take that degree of physicality (choking, threatening with a weapon) super seriously and consider a police report.

That's because you are a nutter, equating the one 6 year old in the history of the country who shot a teacher with every other 2nd grader.

Not a singular issue. Are there hundreds, no, almost two dozen, yes.

These are the kids who turn into 12 and 13 year old car jackets DC is becoming famous for - https://america.cgtn.com/2023/03/09/22-incidents-of-kids-bringing-guns-to-elementary-schools-in-2023

Schools need to keep the majority of kids who are there for an education safe. If that means police reports for assaults and threats of weapon use so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recall another poster at one point saying "the first time, you tell the hitter to stop. The second time, you go to an adult. The third time, you have my blessing to hit back harder and I will defend you."

No one is advocating calling the police on run of the mill bullies. Teachers are allowing kids to throw chairs at others, attack others from behind while they are listening to a lesson, or dangerous assaults like choking. FYI, most kids aren't going to be able to hit their way out of being choked.

No one is "allowing" you sound ignorant. Teachers have 25-30 kids and can't be everywhere at every moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work at a school and I absolutely recognize that behaviors are out of control, but calling the police here is crazy to me. You wouldn’t believe the amount of he said/she said and tattling that occurs every day. He pushed me, she cut in line, he kicked me, she grabbed my hair. The tattling never stops. Often the kid will waltz back to their classmate and sing-song “I told the teacher on you!!” Bringing police into situations with no witnesses and only 7-year-olds to tell the tale is insane.

+1, and the counselors and social workers are stretched thin.

I do think an actual choking incident needs to be addressed more so than it probably is by many administrators. One reason I recently left teaching was I was trying to handle too many behavior issues on my own. There were the constant disagreements between ES students and relatively minor behavior issues (not listening, blurting out, wandering, backtalk) that wore me down. Counselors were helpful, but their workload was crazy and there was only so much time in a day. We were told we shouldn’t refer students to the office because in doing so we undermined our own authority as the teacher in the classroom. So, I usually held off and tried to deal with things the best I could. When I did actually have an incident of assault in the classroom and had to call for assistance, it ended up in a situation where I was under the spotlight. “Why didn’t you know about this sooner? You need to work on building better relationships so this doesn’t happen”, etc. I probably handled hundreds of disciplinary issues to the one time I asked for help and that one time resulted in a reprimand.

Yup staff overall is stretched thin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recall another poster at one point saying "the first time, you tell the hitter to stop. The second time, you go to an adult. The third time, you have my blessing to hit back harder and I will defend you."

No one is advocating calling the police on run of the mill bullies. Teachers are allowing kids to throw chairs at others, attack others from behind while they are listening to a lesson, or dangerous assaults like choking. FYI, most kids aren't going to be able to hit their way out of being choked.

Teachers allow it? I guess we could also say that parents haven’t taught their kids how to behave in school or regulate their emotions.

BINGO! It's fun calling these parents too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I would file a police report for my kids if I would file one if an adult had done that thing to me. I don’t think that it being done by a kid or to my kid makes something not an assault.

What a ridiculous response. These things are not in any way equivalent. If a stranger walked up and punched me in the arm, I might very well call the police but if a child does this I would not. You are not very bright but think you are clever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think folks are following the original thread that prompted this one when they claim it's over reacting.

The OP of the original thread has a 2nd grader who was choked by a classmate; the same classmate also told the kid he had a knife and would "cut him open."

These are not run of the mill behavior problems in 2nd grade. Considering a 6 year old bought a gun to school and shot their teacher in VA last year, I'd say I'd take that degree of physicality (choking, threatening with a weapon) super seriously and consider a police report.

That's because you are a nutter, equating the one 6 year old in the history of the country who shot a teacher with every other 2nd grader.

Hello, adult bully.

Np. You deserve to be called out for being ridiculous. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for starting this thread, OP. I have always wondered about this. I would personally do this for something like choking or for repeated kicking/punching. Of course I would fear being labelled as hysterical but if I’ve learned one thing as a parent it’s that you have to fiercely advocate for your child.

Yep, be the squeaky wheel. It's the only way sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think folks are following the original thread that prompted this one when they claim it's over reacting.

The OP of the original thread has a 2nd grader who was choked by a classmate; the same classmate also told the kid he had a knife and would "cut him open."

These are not run of the mill behavior problems in 2nd grade. Considering a 6 year old bought a gun to school and shot their teacher in VA last year, I'd say I'd take that degree of physicality (choking, threatening with a weapon) super seriously and consider a police report.

That's because you are a nutter, equating the one 6 year old in the history of the country who shot a teacher with every other 2nd grader.

Hello, adult bully.

Np. You deserve to be called out for being ridiculous. Grow up.

DP you may think you called someone out but it's useless. Parents are fed up with their kids being the punching bags. You're on the wrong side and aren't going to cow people into sitting back and doing nothing because you don't want there to be any consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I would file a police report for my kids if I would file one if an adult had done that thing to me. I don’t think that it being done by a kid or to my kid makes something not an assault.

What a ridiculous response. These things are not in any way equivalent. If a stranger walked up and punched me in the arm, I might very well call the police but if a child does this I would not. You are not very bright but think you are clever.

Stop equating elementary school kids punching vs. choking. One of these is way more serious than the other. A kid who chokes another kid and threatens with a weapon garners a way more severe level of concern. My kids have been hit in school and I was not feeling like I needed to do more beyond ensure the school was separating the kids, tell my kid it was ok to hit back, etc.

But a kid with hands on my kids neck trying to CHOKE them?? For one, I'd take my kid to see a doctor to ensure no larynx injury, and for another, yes, I'd consider a police report and I absolutely would file one if I didn't get a sense that the school was doing enough for that kind of behavior. If you have a kid who CHOKES other kids, you have some sort of dysfunctional family life. If you dismiss a kids another kid, you are a part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I would file a police report for my kids if I would file one if an adult had done that thing to me. I don’t think that it being done by a kid or to my kid makes something not an assault.

What a ridiculous response. These things are not in any way equivalent. If a stranger walked up and punched me in the arm, I might very well call the police but if a child does this I would not. You are not very bright but think you are clever.

Stop equating elementary school kids punching vs. choking. One of these is way more serious than the other. A kid who chokes another kid and threatens with a weapon garners a way more severe level of concern. My kids have been hit in school and I was not feeling like I needed to do more beyond ensure the school was separating the kids, tell my kid it was ok to hit back, etc.

But a kid with hands on my kids neck trying to CHOKE them?? For one, I'd take my kid to see a doctor to ensure no larynx injury, and for another, yes, I'd consider a police report and I absolutely would file one if I didn't get a sense that the school was doing enough for that kind of behavior. If you have a kid who CHOKES other kids, you have some sort of dysfunctional family life. If you dismiss a kids another kid, you are a part of the problem.

DP. I think you're reading a bit into things. You seem to read "choking" as purposefully squeezing the neck until unconscious or dead. I read it as, kids hit, kids grab arms, kids grab necks. There's an idea on DCUM that once children enter grade school, they are too old for all of that. But hitting is still developmentally normal in lower elementary. And kids do hit each other in lower elementary. They also threaten each other, sometimes with very colorful language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I would file a police report for my kids if I would file one if an adult had done that thing to me. I don’t think that it being done by a kid or to my kid makes something not an assault.

What a ridiculous response. These things are not in any way equivalent. If a stranger walked up and punched me in the arm, I might very well call the police but if a child does this I would not. You are not very bright but think you are clever.

Stop equating elementary school kids punching vs. choking. One of these is way more serious than the other. A kid who chokes another kid and threatens with a weapon garners a way more severe level of concern. My kids have been hit in school and I was not feeling like I needed to do more beyond ensure the school was separating the kids, tell my kid it was ok to hit back, etc.

But a kid with hands on my kids neck trying to CHOKE them?? For one, I'd take my kid to see a doctor to ensure no larynx injury, and for another, yes, I'd consider a police report and I absolutely would file one if I didn't get a sense that the school was doing enough for that kind of behavior. If you have a kid who CHOKES other kids, you have some sort of dysfunctional family life. If you dismiss a kids another kid, you are a part of the problem.

Agree. NP here. You would not believe the incidents that are "allowed" at the "best" high schools. There was video of one kid choking another kid, and other incidents also on video. The offending kid's parent/s threw a fit, and tried to blame the victim. The offending kid's parents knew the system, backward and forward, because their kid had been in trouble so often, for so long.

It honestly reminded me of Crumbley's family (the kid whose mom was charged today) - there were more kids than the family could handle, they were over stretched on their mortgage, so many issues, with more than one of the kids. Do not for one second think that FCPS is looking out for the victim. Ever. The police actually asked if there was permanent damage. It leads me to think that the police are coached in how to respond. The victim's family hired a lawyer, finally. Most people wanted to see the offending family sued, but did not want the victim to go through any more than they already had.

Beware especially of other parents trying to blame your kid, and.or change the story in their favor, because that seems common place in certain communities. There is no excuse for violence, assault, or any of the other abhorrent offenses that FCPS lets slide under the guise of "restorative justice" BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I would file a police report for my kids if I would file one if an adult had done that thing to me. I don’t think that it being done by a kid or to my kid makes something not an assault.

What a ridiculous response. These things are not in any way equivalent. If a stranger walked up and punched me in the arm, I might very well call the police but if a child does this I would not. You are not very bright but think you are clever.

Stop equating elementary school kids punching vs. choking. One of these is way more serious than the other. A kid who chokes another kid and threatens with a weapon garners a way more severe level of concern. My kids have been hit in school and I was not feeling like I needed to do more beyond ensure the school was separating the kids, tell my kid it was ok to hit back, etc.

But a kid with hands on my kids neck trying to CHOKE them?? For one, I'd take my kid to see a doctor to ensure no larynx injury, and for another, yes, I'd consider a police report and I absolutely would file one if I didn't get a sense that the school was doing enough for that kind of behavior. If you have a kid who CHOKES other kids, you have some sort of dysfunctional family life. If you dismiss a kids another kid, you are a part of the problem.

DP. I think you're reading a bit into things. You seem to read "choking" as purposefully squeezing the neck until unconscious or dead. I read it as, kids hit, kids grab arms, kids grab necks. There's an idea on DCUM that once children enter grade school, they are too old for all of that. But hitting is still developmentally normal in lower elementary. And kids do hit each other in lower elementary. They also threaten each other, sometimes with very colorful language.

No, I'm not reading into it, the original thread that prompted this one was a parent who posted that their elementary school kid had been choked by another kid (along with the kid verbally stating they would cut them open with a knife). And as a parent of an older elementary school boy who, yes, rough houses, have never seen kids grab necks and choke. Like, wtaf are you excusing that for? Also, if my kid said they were choked, I'd ask for details to understand what happened. If it falls in the category of purposeful squeezing their neck so they struggled to breathe, yeah, that's not normal at all.

[Anonymous]

Here's an actual example of a kid who was choked into being unconscious. 2nd grade.

https://www.ktnv.com/13-investigates/family-of-second-grader-choked-out-by-classmate-calls-for-change

[Anonymous]

And what about this one - 7th grade kid choked on a bus, on video, Fairfax county. Would a parent be wrong to file a police report? I would in this case.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/video-captures-middle-school-student-being-choked-on-a-school-bus/65-e73a9710-6c11-4194-8db9-b2bb8d5f79e1