One by one, the lockdown myths are crumbling

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

Due to the way the pandemic was mishandled- no one will listen next time. So- no.

I agree with this; any attempt at lockdowns, school closures, etc. in the event of a future pandemic will be met with hostility and/or refusal. I think in that way, we will not repeat the past mistakes.

And if a future pandemic is more deadly --- we may be in serious trouble when no one cares.

[Anonymous]

The UK was very different from us here.

In Maryland I can only recall a brief period of “lockdown” when things in New York were the most insane.

BUT, I appreciate that school closures went on for much, much longer and that was effectively a lock down for everyone with kids.

[Anonymous]

School closures and the masking of small children. My youngest was in K when schools closed. Some kids have never caught up with reading and speech.

Older kids were hit with a suicide epidemic.

No, kids aren’t okay.

[Anonymous]

I disagree. Quarantining is a good idea when a contagious illness is the problem. Yes it hurt in many ways. Yes I would do it again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the year+ school closures that many public schools experienced in the DMV were a huge societal mistake, with large repercussions that will be felt probably for decades.

There is a difference between "the tradeoffs weren't worth it" and "the measures didn't work"

One is saying that in trying to mitigate one harm, we exacerbated another in ways that overall were a net bad

The other is saying that the measure didn't even achieve the result it wanted

So: You're arguing that closing schools wasn't worth it because the kids suffered more than they gained.

OP is saying that the various covid mandates didn't stop the spread of covid. Or that some right wing newspaper is saying such.

Um - hello. The newspaper is in the U.K.

And if you knew anything whatsoever about media in the U.K., there is no such thing as a “right wing newspaper. “

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

Due to the way the pandemic was mishandled- no one will listen next time. So- no.

I agree with this; any attempt at lockdowns, school closures, etc. in the event of a future pandemic will be met with hostility and/or refusal. I think in that way, we will not repeat the past mistakes.

And if a future pandemic is more deadly --- we may be in serious trouble when no one cares.

Future pandemics are likely. And they are likely to be more deadly.

A friend at NIH ran down a whole list for me of the know human pathogens which have caused minor outbreaks, but were contained.

From Ebola to SARS to a whole list of ones I hadn’t heard of, they were all more lethal than Covid.

There will be future pandemics. Of that you can be certain.

[Anonymous]

I believed in locking down for the first week or two. But then when it went on for months, it was wayyyy too much. On tops of that, no one was really getting sick, and for the ones who did get it, it was like a minor flu/cold for a healthy person. They should’ve only had the very sick and elderly stay locked down. But not everyone. It made no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

I think chewing the cud of this over and over is bad for you and for society, OP. You seem doomed to repeat it, though.

[Anonymous]

The #1 thing I learned during Covid is that there are some seriously ignorant a-holes out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the year+ school closures that many public schools experienced in the DMV were a huge societal mistake, with large repercussions that will be felt probably for decades.

Naw, the kids are fine. Stop being so dramatic.

Schools get disrupted all the time for wars, natural disasters etc.

Kids are resilient. Give them a little more credit.

Kids are not resilient. With all the "trauma" they are constantly experiencing and the life long effects, no, the kids aren't ok or resilient.

You have no idea what is real trauma. If being home for a few weeks or for a year of virtual school is trauma in your home, consider yourself lucky as many of us have been through far worse so this was no big deal if it saved lives. If your kids are having trauma, what are YOU doing about it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the year+ school closures that many public schools experienced in the DMV were a huge societal mistake, with large repercussions that will be felt probably for decades.

Oh please. It was the best thing for the health of my children. My kids were able to excel at home with online learning. The reason was that they had involved parents. Trash parents who do not like to parent wanted the school to open.

What about parents who had to work? Your claim is horrible and wrong.

In MoCo, they offered equity centers, other parents formed pods, and some hired help. Or, a relative stepped in. Funny how everyone managed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think some things were different in the UK, but I was never locked in my home. I left my home every day. I didn't experience a "lockdown" at all.

The restaurants in your neighborhood did.
Your neighborhood schools did (whether you personally have kids in them or not.)

My kid was a college freshman who had to "lock down" in his dorm room for 10 days because someone who was a "close contact" tested positive (my kid tested negative.) He has no idea who the "close contact" was--not his roommate, not his friends....someone that possibly sat in the same huge lecture hall as him, maybe? Regardless he had to "lock down."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School closures and the masking of small children. My youngest was in K when schools closed. Some kids have never caught up with reading and speech.

Older kids were hit with a suicide epidemic.

No, kids aren’t okay.

Kids have always had speech issues. It just wasn't discussed. Prior to covid, my kid was in daily speech therapy. Same with reading. I know plenty of kids who struggled. Ever consider where were the parents? Why weren't they working with their kids.

And, suicides were down, not up.

If your kids aren't fine, it's been three years so you have bigger issues if they haven't caught up or are suicidal. Get them help vs. complaining.

Here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/07/19/teen-suicide-plummeted-during-covid-19-school-closures-new-study-finds/?sh=27340d71dd9b

" Rates of suicide and suicide attempts among teenagers were at their lowest when schools were closed for the Covid-19 pandemic, a new study published Wednesday shows, pointing to an overall pattern that shows mental health in children and teenagers is at its worst while school is in session."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think some things were different in the UK, but I was never locked in my home. I left my home every day. I didn't experience a "lockdown" at all.

The restaurants in your neighborhood did.
Your neighborhood schools did (whether you personally have kids in them or not.)

My kid was a college freshman who had to "lock down" in his dorm room for 10 days because someone who was a "close contact" tested positive (my kid tested negative.) He has no idea who the "close contact" was--not his roommate, not his friends....someone that possibly sat in the same huge lecture hall as him, maybe? Regardless he had to "lock down."

The restaurants that reworked their business strategy did just fine. Some of ours are locally expanded.

Ok, so your kid had to quarantine while living in a group setting. You could have gone and go them and brought them home...simple enough. Or, if they're far, fly out, get a hotel room, and quarantine with them. See how that works. When you choose to send them to the dorm, you were advised of this policy.

[Anonymous]

Omg dude it was 4 years ago. Chill tf out.

Yeah, it was annoying at the time and masks didn't really do that much. Okay. What do you want from me?