Realistically what can we do about guns when we have 430 million in the US

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There will be no gun ownershp in the US when Project 2025 happens.

If you think a dictatorship will allow the masses to have guns you are stupid

Have you ever wanted to buy a timeshare, or a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge? Because I feel like there's a lot of things I could sell you and tell you would make you safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support gun control 100%, I hate guns. I wish we could get rid of all of them. Every other country that passed landmark gun ban legislation after a massacre seems to have started at a much lower baseline of guns in circulation. Even if we repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow and banned every single type of firearm besides maybe single shot hunting rifles, how long would it take to confiscate and destroy all 430 million guns? Decades? And we have probably 20% of the country being adamantly opposed to any kind of gun ban... they won't comply. Are we completely stuck? It's depressing.

Why do you hate guns? Have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever used a gun to hunt for food? Did you know the one of the fastest growing high school sports is trap shooting - https://www.foxnews.com/sports/guns-ammo-one-americas-fastest-growing-high-school-sports-benchwarmers.amp

DP I hate guns because of all the pain and suffering that guns have made so much easier to inflict on human beings.

—someone who has lost a loved one to gun violence.

—I feel that way about cars and liquor- someone who has lost several loved ones to a drunk driver

That's why we regulate alcohol levels in drivers and have made it illegal to drive intoxicated. And in fact, anti-DUI laws have worked!

So it looks like we can agree that regulations are helpful, thanks for raising this very important issue about the importance of regulating harmful things!

https://www.dmvedu.org/do-stricter-driving-laws-reduce-dui-related-fatalities/

The study looked at data from all 50 states and found that, on average, states with stricter laws had 26% fewer drunk driving deaths than states with more lenient laws

[Anonymous]

It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support gun control 100%, I hate guns. I wish we could get rid of all of them. Every other country that passed landmark gun ban legislation after a massacre seems to have started at a much lower baseline of guns in circulation. Even if we repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow and banned every single type of firearm besides maybe single shot hunting rifles, how long would it take to confiscate and destroy all 430 million guns? Decades? And we have probably 20% of the country being adamantly opposed to any kind of gun ban... they won't comply. Are we completely stuck? It's depressing.

Why do you hate guns? Have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever used a gun to hunt for food? Did you know the one of the fastest growing high school sports is trap shooting - https://www.foxnews.com/sports/guns-ammo-one-americas-fastest-growing-high-school-sports-benchwarmers.amp

I've shot guns at ranges. It is stupidly boring. Hunting with a gun is also pathetic and takes not skill. Try using a bow.

There is virtually zero reason for any civilian to need something as powerful as an AR-15, which I shot at the range. It is a weapon of war. And yes, I already know most gun deaths are caused by handguns and not rifles like AR-15. Moot point.

Do you use a bow when you hunt?

What wild game have you taken with your bow?

You shot an AR-15 at a range? Why would you do that?

Have you been to war? I have. In my opinion as someone who fought in a war, the AR-15 is not a weapon of war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

So you are going to kill Americans to keep them safe from guns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

So you want a dictator, think US citizens would behave in the same manner as citizens as the former Soviet Union, think UN troops could disarm the American public and everyone would live in peace and harmony every after?

Quite the vivid imagination you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

The Founders wanted us to be strapped not only to defend against foreign threats, but to be able to kill tyrants from our own government that might try (the key word here is try) to infringe upon our God given rights. That’s what the Founders did, they fought their own government and killed them.

You want to use the UN to take guns from Americans and kill Americans. You are definitely a government puppet that enjoys and benefits from tyranny.

The gun owners of the United States would destroy the UN, if the pathetic UN tried, like helpless limp jellyfish out of water, to take our guns. It would be pathetic af and if you want that to happen please arrange the circumstance. We will graciously meet you and your stinky, lame, blue helmeted child raping “soldiers,” and you will be distraught at the outcome. Bereft, even. Tears will be shed. Lessons will be relearned.

Distraught. Utterly distraught. And then we will keep our guns and live happily ever after, the end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s an easy solution- it just requires a president willing to put in the hard work and be really unpopular for a generation or two afterwards.

1) issue an EO that bans all guns. Ignore Supreme Court. Ignore constitution.

2) offer 30 days to turn them all in.

3) offer HUGE bounties and rewards for turning in people with guns after the deadline. Make the public turn on each other and do the dirty work for govt so govt doesn’t need to.

4) use UN peacekeepers from other countries to hunt down and crush people still possessing guns. Kill as many as possible, to make examples. Kill millions. This has a bonus of also getting rid of repub voters, because the Ven diagram of gun nutters and R voters is a perfect circle.

5) anyone caught with a gun starting one years after the EO gets the death penalty. No appeal, sentence carried out within 1 hour of judges verdict (no jurors on gun cases)



That’s how you do it. You just need elect someone with the courage to carry it out.

I’d love to see the country this would create, 5 years after it was implemented.

So you are going to kill Americans to keep them safe from guns?

Pp doesn’t care about gun safety and the deaths of American citizens, she has a plan to kill American citizens. She desires control and knows Americans who are armed cannot be controlled in the manner and to the degree pp wishes she/her erstwhile tyrannical government could control them.

Be aware that some people want to take away your right to bear arms, to control the general populace. It’s not about gun deaths, it’s about control. Once they take that away from you, you are helpless. Don’t ever let the government take away your right to bear arms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support gun control 100%, I hate guns. I wish we could get rid of all of them. Every other country that passed landmark gun ban legislation after a massacre seems to have started at a much lower baseline of guns in circulation. Even if we repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow and banned every single type of firearm besides maybe single shot hunting rifles, how long would it take to confiscate and destroy all 430 million guns? Decades? And we have probably 20% of the country being adamantly opposed to any kind of gun ban... they won't comply. Are we completely stuck? It's depressing.

Why do you hate guns? Have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever used a gun to hunt for food? Did you know the one of the fastest growing high school sports is trap shooting - https://www.foxnews.com/sports/guns-ammo-one-americas-fastest-growing-high-school-sports-benchwarmers.amp

DP I hate guns because of all the pain and suffering that guns have made so much easier to inflict on human beings.

—someone who has lost a loved one to gun violence.

—I feel that way about cars and liquor- someone who has lost several loved ones to a drunk driver

That's why we regulate alcohol levels in drivers and have made it illegal to drive intoxicated. And in fact, anti-DUI laws have worked!

So it looks like we can agree that regulations are helpful, thanks for raising this very important issue about the importance of regulating harmful things!

https://www.dmvedu.org/do-stricter-driving-laws-reduce-dui-related-fatalities/

The study looked at data from all 50 states and found that, on average, states with stricter laws had 26% fewer drunk driving deaths than states with more lenient laws

DUI laws have worked. We no longer have drunk drivers. No more Americans die because of drunk drivers. We did it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible to make meaningful restrictions on guns other than at the point of sale.

And even then, it'll be hundreds of years before we make a dent in the murder or suicide rate.

It appears that in the US, the most direct route to increasing gun safety is harsh penalties for gun violence (including brandishing a gun in the commission of a crime) and increasing police presence and physical security at places like schools and venues. I don't see gun control as a serious, realistic proposal to reduce those things.

I share your resignation to some extent. But I do think there are a couple things we can do. Like some of the crazy ideas here, this would take courage. It is focused on getting guns out of the hands of people most likely to commit gun-related crime:

- stop and frisk, also known as a Terry Stop, is a very effective way of getting guns off our city streets. I’m sorry there is a segment of the population that is concerned about “implicit bias”. Point to the guns removed from criminal possession and explain that the segment is safer for it.
- The NICS is what is consulted during a firearm purchase…sometimes called a background check. We need more people on NICS. Too many clearly mentally ill people had purchase rights when they should not: Cho, Nidal, Holmes. The list is endless. People judged mentally ill and anyone on psychotropics should be barred from possession. Stronger red flag laws too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's possible to make meaningful restrictions on guns other than at the point of sale.

And even then, it'll be hundreds of years before we make a dent in the murder or suicide rate.

It appears that in the US, the most direct route to increasing gun safety is harsh penalties for gun violence (including brandishing a gun in the commission of a crime) and increasing police presence and physical security at places like schools and venues. I don't see gun control as a serious, realistic proposal to reduce those things.

I share your resignation to some extent. But I do think there are a couple things we can do. Like some of the crazy ideas here, this would take courage. It is focused on getting guns out of the hands of people most likely to commit gun-related crime:

- stop and frisk, also known as a Terry Stop, is a very effective way of getting guns off our city streets. I’m sorry there is a segment of the population that is concerned about “implicit bias”. Point to the guns removed from criminal possession and explain that the segment is safer for it.
- The NICS is what is consulted during a firearm purchase…sometimes called a background check. We need more people on NICS. Too many clearly mentally ill people had purchase rights when they should not: Cho, Nidal, Holmes. The list is endless. People judged mentally ill and anyone on psychotropics should be barred from possession. Stronger red flag laws too.

Good idea. We want Americans to be fully untreated for depression and anxiety. We want law enforcement to have full access to our medical records at all times.

"If people with suicidal or homicidal impulses avoid treatment for fear of being reported in this way, they may be more likely to act on those impulses," Dr. Paul Appelbaum, director of the Division of Law, Ethics and Psychiatry at Columbia University, told the Huffington Post.

That’s the ticket.

"A law-abiding, honest, hard-working professional, who never had one [whit] of scandal associated with him, criminal or otherwise. And they took his guns away," Tresmond told Buffalo news station WIVB.com“

https://www.livescience.com/28617-prescription-meds-gun-control.html

We want to persecute and take away rights from law abiding citizens. We want our citizens to operate on fear and know they are being watched and punished when they access mental healthcare.

[Anonymous]

There are so many guns it will take years.
But we could start by destroying all guns used in commission of a crime.
I had no idea guns were sold off afterwards in many jurisdictions.
Start smelting them.
What do LEO think? All the cops I talk to want AR’s and guns with similar capabilities off the streets. There isn’t a need for high capacity rapid fire guns. They sure as heck don’t want to be dealing with them.
Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued. They enjoy special protection other industries do not. That needs to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many guns it will take years.
But we could start by destroying all guns used in commission of a crime.
I had no idea guns were sold off afterwards in many jurisdictions.
Start smelting them.
What do LEO think? All the cops I talk to want AR’s and guns with similar capabilities off the streets. There isn’t a need for high capacity rapid fire guns. They sure as heck don’t want to be dealing with them.
Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued. They enjoy special protection other industries do not. That needs to change.

What about big pharma. We had to take the COVID vaccine but can’t sue if some went went wrong or goes wrong in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support gun control 100%, I hate guns. I wish we could get rid of all of them. Every other country that passed landmark gun ban legislation after a massacre seems to have started at a much lower baseline of guns in circulation. Even if we repealed the 2nd amendment tomorrow and banned every single type of firearm besides maybe single shot hunting rifles, how long would it take to confiscate and destroy all 430 million guns? Decades? And we have probably 20% of the country being adamantly opposed to any kind of gun ban... they won't comply. Are we completely stuck? It's depressing.

Why do you hate guns? Have you ever shot a gun? Have you ever used a gun to hunt for food? Did you know the one of the fastest growing high school sports is trap shooting - https://www.foxnews.com/sports/guns-ammo-one-americas-fastest-growing-high-school-sports-benchwarmers.amp

DP I hate guns because of all the pain and suffering that guns have made so much easier to inflict on human beings.

—someone who has lost a loved one to gun violence.

—I feel that way about cars and liquor- someone who has lost several loved ones to a drunk driver

That's why we regulate alcohol levels in drivers and have made it illegal to drive intoxicated. And in fact, anti-DUI laws have worked!

So it looks like we can agree that regulations are helpful, thanks for raising this very important issue about the importance of regulating harmful things!

https://www.dmvedu.org/do-stricter-driving-laws-reduce-dui-related-fatalities/

The study looked at data from all 50 states and found that, on average, states with stricter laws had 26% fewer drunk driving deaths than states with more lenient laws

DUI laws have worked. We no longer have drunk drivers. No more Americans die because of drunk drivers. We did it!

Gosh are you suggesting that we get rid of DUI laws because they haven’t eradicated all DUI? Even though they have saved lives? So you think we should live with higher DUI death rates because DUI laws don’t stop them all.

Wow. Just wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many guns it will take years.
But we could start by destroying all guns used in commission of a crime.
I had no idea guns were sold off afterwards in many jurisdictions.
Start smelting them.
What do LEO think? All the cops I talk to want AR’s and guns with similar capabilities off the streets. There isn’t a need for high capacity rapid fire guns. They sure as heck don’t want to be dealing with them.
Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued. They enjoy special protection other industries do not. That needs to change.

What about big pharma. We had to take the COVID vaccine but can’t sue if some went went wrong or goes wrong in the future.

Who strapped you down and forced you to get the vaccine against your will? I’m talking physically - who physically strapped you down?

And any way, suing big pharma is a right. Have you not been paying attention to the Sackler lawsuits???

But you sound like a Republican, who have always wanted to limit lawsuits against corporations yes even big pharma.