Realistically what can we do about guns when we have 430 million in the US
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Anonymous
What kind of deterrent is #3 to a shooter who expects to be killed by the cops? |
Anonymous
| Gun owners tell us that gun owners are law abiding citizens. So, we could pass laws restricting ownership. Some people - probably leftists - say that such laws would cause gun owners to stop being law abiding and, instead, become people who would murder police officers if they tried to enforce the law. But, if -as we've been told - gun owners are law abiding citizens, they would abide by the law. |
Anonymous
—I feel that way about cars and liquor- someone who has lost several loved ones to a drunk driver |
Anonymous
I hate guns because two kids decided that it would be fun to see if heads ready exploded with assault rifles and murdered my brother-in-law. Fortunately, my sister was not at home. The two also murdered the owner of a store when they robbed him shortly after murdering my BIL. Are you getting an idea if why some of us hate guns? It could happen to your children any school, church, Synagogue, Mosque, shopping center Watch yourself because no one is Teflon! |
Anonymous
PP here. None, but very, very few shooters fall into that category. Also note that many of the school shooters got their hands on parents' guns, so focusing on criminal liability for the gun owners will help minimize. Bottom line: 2A isn't going away (nor should it), but there's a LOT that can be done while still respecting 2A rights. |
Anonymous
Looking at the ten deadliest mass shootings in modern history (https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/deadliest-mass-shootings-modern-us-history) Las Vegas, 2017: shooter killed himself Orlando, 2016: shooter killed himself Virginia Tech, 2007: shooter killed himself Sandy Hook, 2012: shooter killed himself Sutherland Springs, 2017: shooter killed himself Killeen, 1991: shooter killed himself El Paso, 2019: shooter arrested San Ysidro, 1984: shooter killed by police Uvalde, 2022: shooter killed by police Lewiston, 2023: shooter killed himself I understand that statistically, most gun victims do not die in mass shootings, but these are the incidents that get people's attention. Also worth noting is that of the 25 shootings listed here, only one (Columbine) occurred between 1994 and 2004 when the assault weapons ban was in effect. |
Anonymous
I'm not sure the number of guns reflects the problems we are seeing with guns. The vast majority of those guns are owned by responsible, law-abiding people and will never be associated with crime, suicide, or a mass shooting. That said, there are things we could do to help keep firearms out of the hands of people who have no business having them, none of which would infringe on our rights under the 2nd Amendment (keeping in mind inconvenience does not equal "infringement"). In no particular order: - Mandatory "cooling down" periods before a buyer can take possession of a firearm - it could be as little as a few hours, just to weed out the hotheads looking to pop off after losing their temper; - Mandatory training in both safe firearms handling and the legal issues surrounding use of firearms (what constitutes self defense under the law, etc.); - Mandatory ownership of gun safes and/or trigger guards; - Mandatory purchase of liability insurance; - Mandatory reporting of all transfers of ownership, including long-term loans, whether by sale, gift or inheritance; - Prohibition on short-term loan of firearms where the registered owner won't be present at all times; - Mandatory mental health and criminal background checks to qualify for legal gun ownership; - Harsher penalties for crimes involving use of a firearm (already in place in many/most jurisdictions, I think); - Ending the prohibition on the CDC studying gun incidents as a public health issue; - Including questions about guns in the home as part of the standard Doctor's questionnaire, just like with smoking and alcohol use. |
Anonymous
I’ve seen the idea of taxing ammo mentioned. How/why is that preferable to a huge tax on the actual gun itself? Why not slam a $1K gun with $3K in taxes? |
Anonymous
Your last point is very interesting. |
Anonymous
I like the ammo tax idea bc I'm of the mind that guns are so prevalent, they are extremely difficult to control. If you only apply the tax to guns, then it continues to apply all the restriction at the point of sale-- and only legal sales. If you make ammo extremely expensive, then even if a kid gets a gun from a parent's bedroom, they will struggle to get the ammo to conduct an attack. And, if they manage to get ammo, they won't find it easy to get hundreds of rounds. |
Anonymous
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There will be no gun ownershp in the US when Project 2025 happens.
If you think a dictatorship will allow the masses to have guns you are stupid |
Anonymous
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Tax ammo so each bullet costs $100.
Of course that will push people to make their own, so you can hedge against it by: * Tightly controlling all chemicals needed to make gun powder as well as equipment needed to make bullets. The McGyvers in the crowd will point out that it won't stop people making gun powder because you can make it from charcoal, sulfur from home depot and some bird poop, which is true, but it still makes it harder to make a lot of *quality* gun powder at scale. It also makes it harder for someone to collect hundreds and thousands of rounds, which school and concert shooters always come with. * Control casings for cartridges. Start collecting and destroying casings that could be used to make ammo. Prohibit the sale of empty casings directly to consumers. Again, people will claim they'll be able to make their own, sure, but it'll be a giant PITA for most people who won't be able to obtain enough brass to even shape *quality* cartridge casings. Most jo schmos in public won't even have the equipment nor the know how anyway to be able to press and machine precisely sized cartridge casings for everyone of their guns anyway. It's also critically important to get the thickness of casings, shapes, and leave enough space for a primer too when manufacturing casings. It's not all that easy for a novice. * Ban the sale of primers. You can't make ammo without primers. People can try to make their own primers, but the chemistry is very dangerous and a lot harder than making gun powder. Novices will blow their fingers off trying to mess around primer chemistry. The govt can also strictly control the sale of the chemicals needed for making primers. It's also a lot harder to making primers from materials around the house or from home depot because it requires very specific types of chemical you can only really get from chemical suppliers. Again, there will probably be some McGyver out there who can figure it out from some dangerous Jerry rigged home lab, but the point is making it extremely difficult to manufacture *quality* primers at scale so they you can produce tons of ammo. Control everything about ammo making and sale and it becomes very difficult to obtain lots of ammo to even be able to pull off mass shootings. Sure, you can own the guns, but 2A never said you have the right to affordable ammunition. Homebrewers will try to make their own ammo, some will succeed, many will give up, and many will hurt themselves or blow up their guns because they have no idea what they're doing and their quality control stinks since they're amateur chemists with no analytical equipment for batch control in quality during manufacturing. |
Anonymous
Your opinion. |
Anonymous
What's Proj. 2025? |
Anonymous
Hands, fist and feet have killed more people in 2022 than rifles. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/ |