Why does the city refuse to crack down on Maryland paper tags?

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is probably one of two reasons:

-the tags aren’t fake—you can buy temporary tags from dealerships that are basically just fronts for temp tag sales (see: Texas)

-the tages are fake but you can’t tell—the info isn’t entered into a database so unless you run the VIN you can’t tell the tag isn’t legit. I’d be pretty annoyed if I kept getting pulled over for a VIN check because I have temporary dealer tags. A temp tag isn’t probably cause anyway.

First of all, the tags are absolutely fake. Oftentimes they are absurdly fake, like printed off at home.

Second, these ghost cars are a major problem in fighting crime in the district right now. So take them off the streets. I don’t care if it’s more work for the cops and a possible minor inconvenience for people with legit tags.

Taking them off the street wouldn’t be equitable and the Council legally prohibited the cops from chasing for traffic violations.

Correct. This isn't a rumor we're speculating about. It is explicit and in writing for all to see.

Still waiting for the link to the “explicit” and “in writing” policy on paper tags you keep referring to …

https://twitter.com/JWPascale/status/1577728254013837336

https://ggwash.org/view/88886/fake-tags-are-a-real-problem

I have a feeling you're the kind of person who won't come back and acknowledge that here it is for you to see. What other assumptions are you wrong about? (hint: all of them).

Actually, I’m the OP and I’m trying to get to the root of the problem so I can figure out who to complain to. (My CM is Charles Allen so that’s useless). Looks like they (the mayor?) had a task force that looked at the problem and decided all the proposed solutions would have a disparate impact on people of color. Hard to know whether that’s a smart decision without knowing what was proposed (unless the proposed solutions were “pull over more Black people,” I suspect that decision was misguided).

This is how you know the premise of “Maryland” is b.s., because DC politicians wouldn’t care one whit about disparate impacts on Maryland residents. In fact, not too long ago the DC crime story the mayor was trying to tell was that it was Maryland residents inflicting crime on DC.

They may be “Maryland” tags, but it’s DC residents forging them and using them in DC. So the name of the state on the tags are irrelevant. They could say Hawaii and the point would remain the same.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone with paper tags hits me and I have no way to identify them, then what?

That's why you have insurance.

We were hit (while parked) by a car w/ fake paper tags. The dc police were totally apathetic. The car that hit us was abandoned a block away, and the entire accident was caught on very clear camera. The police didn’t even see the car a block away - we saw it when waiting for our car to be towed. We called back 911 and the detective and 911 both said they would not fingerprint the car if no one was in it. Completely infuriating. Thankfully we were not hurt badly but we were without a car for 5 months (insurance o my covered 2 weeks of a loaner for us. Our insurance went way up and the value of our car went way down. This was with good Chubb insurance, too.

So basically the outcome was almost equitable except you still had a car. MPD needs to work a little harder.

I’m curious why you think it was equitable? I had parked and was getting out of the car with my kids so wasn’t at fault at all. My car wasn’t even turned on. We had to pay to rent a car for 5 months, our insurance premium is now way up, my youngest had to go in an ambulance and I had all of those fees, we had to pay our deductible, etc. The police could have fingerprinted the car that hit us since it was abandoned right after the accident, yet they did nothing and said they couldn’t catch the person. The fake temp tags on the car looked like they had printed themselves and the date on them was about a year old. There was no inspection or anything on the car. I’m not sure why there’s anything equitable about this? All they had to do was fingerprint the car - perhaps that combined w/ the video which clearly showed the drivers face and the hit and run could have taken one more creep off the street.

Don’t feed the trolls.

The amount of racism on this site has proliferated lately. I’m not sure why that is being allowed to happen but it makes me very uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every crime report I read talks about the getaway car having paper tags. I see fake paper tags all over the city. Why is the city not pulling these cars over? Worst case, you ticket someone for illegally avoiding speed/red light cameras. More likely, you find stolen cars and people up to no good. Seems like low hanging fruit.

The enforcement would be inequitable. The mayor has a task force to prevent that.

https://dmoi.dc.gov/atetaskforce

So only people who can afford to register their cars have to pay fines. How is that allowed?

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Anonymous wrote:I just walked two blocks downtown. I counted SIX paper tags. In TWO BLOCKS.

Nowhere else in the country would put up with this bullsh*t. You would be pulled over and ticketed and your car would be impounded.

Right here in DC: We have tags and usually park in our driveway. One day, DS parked on the street. We were one day over the inspection sticker expiration (we had done the self inspection and sticker had arrived in the mail, but DS forgot to put it on the night before after work), and by the time DH left for work in the morning, we had a $200 ticket. All along the street were cars with fake and expired paper tags with no tickets.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every crime report I read talks about the getaway car having paper tags. I see fake paper tags all over the city. Why is the city not pulling these cars over? Worst case, you ticket someone for illegally avoiding speed/red light cameras. More likely, you find stolen cars and people up to no good. Seems like low hanging fruit.

The enforcement would be inequitable. The mayor has a task force to prevent that.

https://dmoi.dc.gov/atetaskforce

So only people who can afford to register their cars have to pay fines. How is that allowed?

“ The goal of this work is to mitigate against the potentially inequitable effects of the fine, penalty, and enforcement systems on individuals of varying household incomes while maintaining the public safety effectiveness of ATE and other moving violation programs.”

LOL…it’s hard to believe that site isn’t satire.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every crime report I read talks about the getaway car having paper tags. I see fake paper tags all over the city. Why is the city not pulling these cars over? Worst case, you ticket someone for illegally avoiding speed/red light cameras. More likely, you find stolen cars and people up to no good. Seems like low hanging fruit.

The enforcement would be inequitable. The mayor has a task force to prevent that.

https://dmoi.dc.gov/atetaskforce

So only people who can afford to register their cars have to pay fines. How is that allowed?

You voted for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I just walked two blocks downtown. I counted SIX paper tags. In TWO BLOCKS.

Nowhere else in the country would put up with this bullsh*t. You would be pulled over and ticketed and your car would be impounded.

Right here in DC: We have tags and usually park in our driveway. One day, DS parked on the street. We were one day over the inspection sticker expiration (we had done the self inspection and sticker had arrived in the mail, but DS forgot to put it on the night before after work), and by the time DH left for work in the morning, we had a $200 ticket. All along the street were cars with fake and expired paper tags with no tickets.

That's "equity" for you. You pay the costs and someone else gets the equity.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone with paper tags hits me and I have no way to identify them, then what?

That's why you have insurance.

We were hit (while parked) by a car w/ fake paper tags. The dc police were totally apathetic. The car that hit us was abandoned a block away, and the entire accident was caught on very clear camera. The police didn’t even see the car a block away - we saw it when waiting for our car to be towed. We called back 911 and the detective and 911 both said they would not fingerprint the car if no one was in it. Completely infuriating. Thankfully we were not hurt badly but we were without a car for 5 months (insurance o my covered 2 weeks of a loaner for us. Our insurance went way up and the value of our car went way down. This was with good Chubb insurance, too.

So basically the outcome was almost equitable except you still had a car. MPD needs to work a little harder.

I’m curious why you think it was equitable? I had parked and was getting out of the car with my kids so wasn’t at fault at all. My car wasn’t even turned on. We had to pay to rent a car for 5 months, our insurance premium is now way up, my youngest had to go in an ambulance and I had all of those fees, we had to pay our deductible, etc. The police could have fingerprinted the car that hit us since it was abandoned right after the accident, yet they did nothing and said they couldn’t catch the person. The fake temp tags on the car looked like they had printed themselves and the date on them was about a year old. There was no inspection or anything on the car. I’m not sure why there’s anything equitable about this? All they had to do was fingerprint the car - perhaps that combined w/ the video which clearly showed the drivers face and the hit and run could have taken one more creep off the street.

Don’t feed the trolls.

The amount of racism on this site has proliferated lately. I’m not sure why that is being allowed to happen but it makes me very uncomfortable.

Report posts that concern you.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone with paper tags hits me and I have no way to identify them, then what?

That's why you have insurance.

We were hit (while parked) by a car w/ fake paper tags. The dc police were totally apathetic. The car that hit us was abandoned a block away, and the entire accident was caught on very clear camera. The police didn’t even see the car a block away - we saw it when waiting for our car to be towed. We called back 911 and the detective and 911 both said they would not fingerprint the car if no one was in it. Completely infuriating. Thankfully we were not hurt badly but we were without a car for 5 months (insurance o my covered 2 weeks of a loaner for us. Our insurance went way up and the value of our car went way down. This was with good Chubb insurance, too.

So basically the outcome was almost equitable except you still had a car. MPD needs to work a little harder.

I’m curious why you think it was equitable? I had parked and was getting out of the car with my kids so wasn’t at fault at all. My car wasn’t even turned on. We had to pay to rent a car for 5 months, our insurance premium is now way up, my youngest had to go in an ambulance and I had all of those fees, we had to pay our deductible, etc. The police could have fingerprinted the car that hit us since it was abandoned right after the accident, yet they did nothing and said they couldn’t catch the person. The fake temp tags on the car looked like they had printed themselves and the date on them was about a year old. There was no inspection or anything on the car. I’m not sure why there’s anything equitable about this? All they had to do was fingerprint the car - perhaps that combined w/ the video which clearly showed the drivers face and the hit and run could have taken one more creep off the street.

Don’t feed the trolls.

The amount of racism on this site has proliferated lately. I’m not sure why that is being allowed to happen but it makes me very uncomfortable.

Report posts that concern you.

What’s the point? Half the posts in this thread contain veiled racism, even the one right above. The entire posture of white grievance against “equity” to promote a narrative of reverse racism is just more racism. It’s sad to see and very disturbing how it has proliferated.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone with paper tags hits me and I have no way to identify them, then what?

That's why you have insurance.

We were hit (while parked) by a car w/ fake paper tags. The dc police were totally apathetic. The car that hit us was abandoned a block away, and the entire accident was caught on very clear camera. The police didn’t even see the car a block away - we saw it when waiting for our car to be towed. We called back 911 and the detective and 911 both said they would not fingerprint the car if no one was in it. Completely infuriating. Thankfully we were not hurt badly but we were without a car for 5 months (insurance o my covered 2 weeks of a loaner for us. Our insurance went way up and the value of our car went way down. This was with good Chubb insurance, too.

So basically the outcome was almost equitable except you still had a car. MPD needs to work a little harder.

I’m curious why you think it was equitable? I had parked and was getting out of the car with my kids so wasn’t at fault at all. My car wasn’t even turned on. We had to pay to rent a car for 5 months, our insurance premium is now way up, my youngest had to go in an ambulance and I had all of those fees, we had to pay our deductible, etc. The police could have fingerprinted the car that hit us since it was abandoned right after the accident, yet they did nothing and said they couldn’t catch the person. The fake temp tags on the car looked like they had printed themselves and the date on them was about a year old. There was no inspection or anything on the car. I’m not sure why there’s anything equitable about this? All they had to do was fingerprint the car - perhaps that combined w/ the video which clearly showed the drivers face and the hit and run could have taken one more creep off the street.

Don’t feed the trolls.

The amount of racism on this site has proliferated lately. I’m not sure why that is being allowed to happen but it makes me very uncomfortable.

Report posts that concern you.

What’s the point? Half the posts in this thread contain veiled racism, even the one right above. The entire posture of white grievance against “equity” to promote a narrative of reverse racism is just more racism. It’s sad to see and very disturbing how it has proliferated.

Most people strongly support equality before the law and equality of opportunity. They don't support the very different concept of "equity," to put some identity groups in a better position than others. It's seems that the Supreme Court doesn't, either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Almost every crime report I read talks about the getaway car having paper tags. I see fake paper tags all over the city. Why is the city not pulling these cars over? Worst case, you ticket someone for illegally avoiding speed/red light cameras. More likely, you find stolen cars and people up to no good. Seems like low hanging fruit.

The enforcement would be inequitable. The mayor has a task force to prevent that.

https://dmoi.dc.gov/atetaskforce

that's BS. all people with paper tags cna be stopped. don't want to be stopped, don't drive a car with paper tags.

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Anonymous wrote:If someone with paper tags hits me and I have no way to identify them, then what?

That's why you have insurance.

We were hit (while parked) by a car w/ fake paper tags. The dc police were totally apathetic. The car that hit us was abandoned a block away, and the entire accident was caught on very clear camera. The police didn’t even see the car a block away - we saw it when waiting for our car to be towed. We called back 911 and the detective and 911 both said they would not fingerprint the car if no one was in it. Completely infuriating. Thankfully we were not hurt badly but we were without a car for 5 months (insurance o my covered 2 weeks of a loaner for us. Our insurance went way up and the value of our car went way down. This was with good Chubb insurance, too.

So basically the outcome was almost equitable except you still had a car. MPD needs to work a little harder.

I’m curious why you think it was equitable? I had parked and was getting out of the car with my kids so wasn’t at fault at all. My car wasn’t even turned on. We had to pay to rent a car for 5 months, our insurance premium is now way up, my youngest had to go in an ambulance and I had all of those fees, we had to pay our deductible, etc. The police could have fingerprinted the car that hit us since it was abandoned right after the accident, yet they did nothing and said they couldn’t catch the person. The fake temp tags on the car looked like they had printed themselves and the date on them was about a year old. There was no inspection or anything on the car. I’m not sure why there’s anything equitable about this? All they had to do was fingerprint the car - perhaps that combined w/ the video which clearly showed the drivers face and the hit and run could have taken one more creep off the street.

Don’t feed the trolls.

The amount of racism on this site has proliferated lately. I’m not sure why that is being allowed to happen but it makes me very uncomfortable.

Report posts that concern you.

What’s the point? Half the posts in this thread contain veiled racism, even the one right above. The entire posture of white grievance against “equity” to promote a narrative of reverse racism is just more racism. It’s sad to see and very disturbing how it has proliferated.

Not even close to racist. Do you need a bottle and diaper?

I guess you’re one of those people who also argue that Trump voters were not motivated by racism.

You must be racist to just assume that targeting criminals applies exclusively to Black people and that eliminating the destruction from paper tags wouldn’t benefit everyone, including Black people.

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Anonymous wrote:I just walked two blocks downtown. I counted SIX paper tags. In TWO BLOCKS.

Nowhere else in the country would put up with this bullsh*t. You would be pulled over and ticketed and your car would be impounded.

How do you know those tags were all bogus? Six new cars in two blocks downtown doesn't seem completely inconceivable.

[Anonymous]

We live in an exurb. Over the past month or so county law enforcement has been out and about a couple times a week ticketing vehicles with missing tags, having expired tags, displaying fake paper tags, or tags that are for a different vehicle than what they are displayed on.
They are hitting shopping centers and residential areas.

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Anonymous wrote:I just walked two blocks downtown. I counted SIX paper tags. In TWO BLOCKS.

Nowhere else in the country would put up with this bullsh*t. You would be pulled over and ticketed and your car would be impounded.

How do you know those tags were all bogus? Six new cars in two blocks downtown doesn't seem completely inconceivable.

OMG, it’s unbelievable how much you want to coddle criminals. No wonder we’ve ended up with the city we have.