Netherlands General Election today

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is immigration. People from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan don't seem particularly interested in becoming Dutch and accepting Dutch norms - whether the role of women, LGBTQ, work, etc etc. Plus all the violence these immigrants often bring. The Dutch are fed up. It's a small country. It's not like there's a lot of space. Everyone needs to live together. The immigrants that Holland has taken do not seem inclined to assimilate, even with all the benefits. The Dutch are as liberal as ever. But the immigrants are not generally tolerant. So there's a very strong electoral backlash.

Why don't you see these attitudes in the American Muslim diaspora?

There have been plenty of violent pro Palestinian rallies in the US lately, Incase you’ve missed them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wilders is a centrist compared to the left wing nut jobs running for office all over Europe.

Immigration is out of control and toxic.

+1
If I were Dutch, I would certainly have voted for him. They have a tiny country which is rapidly filling with immigrants who most certainly do NOT share their values.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing like hate for foreigners to bring people together in politics.

I was surrounded in Rotterdam by a group of youths and almost got robbed. It was the same sort of folks who lived in the Bans Lieu in France. Basically, I’m sorry it’s not woke or politically correct to admit it, but the majority of problems are attributed to culture clash between migrants who are angry and refuse to assimilate. Even like 3rd generation. This isn’t “deprived youths in the poor areas” as the main pooblem. It’s simply a refusal or a disdain to adopt the liberal views of their host country. I get why Geert won. I’m sorry it’s so hard for people to just say it plainly. People need to fcking assimilate or stop migrating to western countries from places with backwards values.

Yes, and that is why the Netherlands, Italy, Poland and France will be gone from the pro migration EU in 5 years.

If immigrants don’t assimilate they must be expelled. There is not going to be a great socialist kumbaya.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

DP. This is exactly the behavior we encountered in Sweden, France, and Italy. There is a very clear LACK of assimilation going on and extremely toxic treatment of women. I can see why these countries would want to stop immigration from certain countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is immigration. People from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan don't seem particularly interested in becoming Dutch and accepting Dutch norms - whether the role of women, LGBTQ, work, etc etc. Plus all the violence these immigrants often bring. The Dutch are fed up. It's a small country. It's not like there's a lot of space. Everyone needs to live together. The immigrants that Holland has taken do not seem inclined to assimilate, even with all the benefits. The Dutch are as liberal as ever. But the immigrants are not generally tolerant. So there's a very strong electoral backlash.

Why don't you see these attitudes in the American Muslim diaspora?

There have been plenty of violent pro Palestinian rallies in the US lately, Incase you’ve missed them.

+1
Is the PP living under a rock?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

We were on vacation in Amsterdam visiting family and none of the women were harassed ever. We walked everywhere. None of my female family in the Netherlands has complained that this is a thing. My good friends daughter is studying near Amsterdam and does not complain about this being a major issue .

The affordable housing crisis is definitely worrying many people though.

Have you asked your family members? Or the topic never comes up. Here is on recent survey that found 2/3 of young women in the Netherlands have been harassed. 24% had been followed or chased!
https://longreads.cbs.nl/the-netherlands-in-numbers-2022/how-many-young-women-encounter-street-harassment/
"In 2021, 2 in 3 young women said that they had been harassed on the street at some point in the past year, e.g. by means of wolf whistling or catcalling, sometimes by being chased or followed. Women experienced wolf whistling as least threatening, and being chased or followed as most threatening"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wilders is a centrist compared to the left wing nut jobs running for office all over Europe.

Immigration is out of control and toxic.

+1
If I were Dutch, I would certainly have voted for him. They have a tiny country which is rapidly filling with immigrants who most certainly do NOT share their values.

Fortunately for the Netherlands, the vast majority do not favor simplistic anti immigration extremists.

They did win enough seats that their concerns will be listened to but nutty right wing extremism in antithesis to traditional Dutch culture and values

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

We were on vacation in Amsterdam visiting family and none of the women were harassed ever. We walked everywhere. None of my female family in the Netherlands has complained that this is a thing. My good friends daughter is studying near Amsterdam and does not complain about this being a major issue .

The affordable housing crisis is definitely worrying many people though.

Have you asked your family members? Or the topic never comes up. Here is on recent survey that found 2/3 of young women in the Netherlands have been harassed. 24% had been followed or chased!
https://longreads.cbs.nl/the-netherlands-in-numbers-2022/how-many-young-women-encounter-street-harassment/
"In 2021, 2 in 3 young women said that they had been harassed on the street at some point in the past year, e.g. by means of wolf whistling or catcalling, sometimes by being chased or followed. Women experienced wolf whistling as least threatening, and being chased or followed as most threatening"

Yes they feel safe in the Netherlands and for good reason - it is one of the safest countries in the world for women.

List of Safest Countries For Women to Travel Or Live in the World
1. Norway
2. Finland
3. Iceland
4. Denmark
5. Luxembourg
6. Switzerland
7. Sweden
8. Austria
9. The United Kingdom
10. Netherlands

https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/world-safest-countries-for-women-to-travel-live-1694156063-1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read today that he also ran on a promise to halt aid to Ukraine.
I think Europe is tired of helping other countries…

Nah - there is broad support for supporting Ukraine - people know the stakes for Western Europe are high …


“In the Netherlands there is broad support for our help to Ukraine," Ollongren told reporters on Friday. "I hope and expect this will not change in the new parliament. But the PVV is now the largest party and they have never been enthusiastic about support to Ukraine. They have even been pro-Russia at times.1 day ago
https://www.reuters.com › europe

Dutch minister says she hopes aid to Ukraine will continue despite ... - Reuters

So you agree that he is, in fact, anti Ukraine help?

He may be but he only won <25% of seats and there is broad support for Ukraine in the Netherlands as in most of EU. Wilders can’t even form a coalition government for now as none of the other main parties want to work with him on his extreme agenda. He will need to negotiate for a very long time to form a coalition government and I imagine this is one area where he will need to compromise.

Okay, I thought the fact that he won meant fairly broad support for the sentiment “enough helping Ukraine”.
Just was curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

DP. This is exactly the behavior we encountered in Sweden, France, and Italy. There is a very clear LACK of assimilation going on and extremely toxic treatment of women. I can see why these countries would want to stop immigration from certain countries.

The Erosion of Women's rights in many areas is frightening and so many people are in absolute denial because they don't want to be called a racist or prejudiced against any religion. To really understand what is happening a Somali born immigrant who lived in the Netherlands for years and became a politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote a book called Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women’s Rights. It examines the sharp rise in the number of sexual assaults in Western Europe that coincides with the sharp rise in illegal immigration from Muslim-majority countries. She contended that Dutch and other European laws are overly accommodating toward immigrants, enabling the formation of fundamentalist Muslim enclaves whose practices ultimately posed a threat to the women.

She explains that Governments are not collecting any type of statistic on who is committing sexual assaults or not allowing women to freely gather in spaces such as park in cities that are now predominantly fundamentalist Muslim because if they collect data points such as immigration status or skin color, or religion or nationality that they're going to empower the far-right groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read today that he also ran on a promise to halt aid to Ukraine.
I think Europe is tired of helping other countries…

Nah - there is broad support for supporting Ukraine - people know the stakes for Western Europe are high …


“In the Netherlands there is broad support for our help to Ukraine," Ollongren told reporters on Friday. "I hope and expect this will not change in the new parliament. But the PVV is now the largest party and they have never been enthusiastic about support to Ukraine. They have even been pro-Russia at times.1 day ago
https://www.reuters.com › europe

Dutch minister says she hopes aid to Ukraine will continue despite ... - Reuters

So you agree that he is, in fact, anti Ukraine help?

He may be but he only won <25% of seats and there is broad support for Ukraine in the Netherlands as in most of EU. Wilders can’t even form a coalition government for now as none of the other main parties want to work with him on his extreme agenda. He will need to negotiate for a very long time to form a coalition government and I imagine this is one area where he will need to compromise.

Okay, I thought the fact that he won meant fairly broad support for the sentiment “enough helping Ukraine”.
Just was curious.

He won the most seats of any single party but only a quarter overall - The Netherlands has many parties and none of the other major parties want to work with him so it will be hard for him to form a coalition.

A majority of Dutch people support Ukraine so I don’t see how he can hope to scrape together a coalition government eventually without conceding that one.

He probably needs to focus more on affordable housing if wants more support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

DP. This is exactly the behavior we encountered in Sweden, France, and Italy. There is a very clear LACK of assimilation going on and extremely toxic treatment of women. I can see why these countries would want to stop immigration from certain countries.

The Erosion of Women's rights in many areas is frightening and so many people are in absolute denial because they don't want to be called a racist or prejudiced against any religion. To really understand what is happening a Somali born immigrant who lived in the Netherlands for years and became a politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote a book called Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women’s Rights. It examines the sharp rise in the number of sexual assaults in Western Europe that coincides with the sharp rise in illegal immigration from Muslim-majority countries. She contended that Dutch and other European laws are overly accommodating toward immigrants, enabling the formation of fundamentalist Muslim enclaves whose practices ultimately posed a threat to the women.

She explains that Governments are not collecting any type of statistic on who is committing sexual assaults or not allowing women to freely gather in spaces such as park in cities that are now predominantly fundamentalist Muslim because if they collect data points such as immigration status or skin color, or religion or nationality that they're going to empower the far-right groups.

2023 - Netherlands in top ten for safest countries in the world for women - see link further north.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with some of the analysis here. I live in the Netherlands now, and did 30 years ago. Was first here on a scholarship at the University of Amsterdam to research the rise in right wing movements in Western Europe and most of my work was around assimilation of 1960s and 1970s immigrants into France, Germany and Netherlands. It's not true that Syrians and Afghans aren't assimilating now, and the Dutch have amazing taal schools to get immigrant children up to speed on Dutch to join regular Dutch basis schools (primary) and other options for children over 12. There are many hardworking well integrated Syrians here. More people where I live now (Maastricht) are complaining of Moroccan youth being disruptive around the center and link increasing crime to new laws forbidding foreigners from going into coffee shops thereby creating a black market with aggressive sellers.

The housing crisis is THE biggest deal for most and it's easy to point the finger at immigrants for some.

Not all Dutch are as tolerant as the stereotypes. And Geert Wilders has more in common with some of the fundamentalist Muslims that he wants to deport. His platform is just as anti-LGBTQ and black and white in approach. It would be wrong to simply link his support as tied to those who see Muslims as a threat to Dutch tolerance. The cities with the largest Muslim populations did not vote for his party, notably Amsterdam.

Just wanted to add some nuance to some of the generalizations I'm reading here.

I really wonder if you are a man. I have a female friend who has lived in different cities in the Netherlands and is now in Amsterdam. She says the amount of catcalling is so out of control when you walk down so many street and 99% of the men who are making incredibly rude sexual comments and then making threatening comments and spitting when they are ignored or rejected are immigrants from North Africa or the Middle East or other parts of Africa. She says ask any female if they have gone to cities in the Netherlands and been harassed and they will say yes. It is so out of control.

So while she is liberal and believes there are many positive things that immigrants bring and do jobs Dutch often don't want to do, she is really mad that women are constantly harassed. She has been to Latin America, so I asked is it like being in Latin America, and she said absolutely not. It might be whistling and some comments but nothing at the level that is going on in the Netherlands now. She said so many women are just so sick and tired of it and are going to vote for someone who might bring some hope that it can stop.

DP. This is exactly the behavior we encountered in Sweden, France, and Italy. There is a very clear LACK of assimilation going on and extremely toxic treatment of women. I can see why these countries would want to stop immigration from certain countries.

The Erosion of Women's rights in many areas is frightening and so many people are in absolute denial because they don't want to be called a racist or prejudiced against any religion. To really understand what is happening a Somali born immigrant who lived in the Netherlands for years and became a politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote a book called Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women’s Rights. It examines the sharp rise in the number of sexual assaults in Western Europe that coincides with the sharp rise in illegal immigration from Muslim-majority countries. She contended that Dutch and other European laws are overly accommodating toward immigrants, enabling the formation of fundamentalist Muslim enclaves whose practices ultimately posed a threat to the women.

She explains that Governments are not collecting any type of statistic on who is committing sexual assaults or not allowing women to freely gather in spaces such as park in cities that are now predominantly fundamentalist Muslim because if they collect data points such as immigration status or skin color, or religion or nationality that they're going to empower the far-right groups.

2023 - Netherlands in top ten for safest countries in the world for women - see link further north.

Dp- being inundated with men from some of the very unsafest countries for women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing like hate for foreigners to bring people together in politics.

I was surrounded in Rotterdam by a group of youths and almost got robbed. It was the same sort of folks who lived in the Bans Lieu in France. Basically, I’m sorry it’s not woke or politically correct to admit it, but the majority of problems are attributed to culture clash between migrants who are angry and refuse to assimilate. Even like 3rd generation. This isn’t “deprived youths in the poor areas” as the main pooblem. It’s simply a refusal or a disdain to adopt the liberal views of their host country. I get why Geert won. I’m sorry it’s so hard for people to just say it plainly. People need to fcking assimilate or stop migrating to western countries from places with backwards values.

Yes, and that is why the Netherlands, Italy, Poland and France will be gone from the pro migration EU in 5 years.

If immigrants don’t assimilate they must be expelled. There is not going to be a great socialist kumbaya.

You can be anti immigrant and socialist. Most European right wing parties would fall under this rubric. They are fine with socialism, they just want to limit it to their own citizens. If labor want gutted in this country, we’d probably have similar strains on the left and right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing like hate for foreigners to bring people together in politics.

I was surrounded in Rotterdam by a group of youths and almost got robbed. It was the same sort of folks who lived in the Bans Lieu in France. Basically, I’m sorry it’s not woke or politically correct to admit it, but the majority of problems are attributed to culture clash between migrants who are angry and refuse to assimilate. Even like 3rd generation. This isn’t “deprived youths in the poor areas” as the main pooblem. It’s simply a refusal or a disdain to adopt the liberal views of their host country. I get why Geert won. I’m sorry it’s so hard for people to just say it plainly. People need to fcking assimilate or stop migrating to western countries from places with backwards values.

Yes, and that is why the Netherlands, Italy, Poland and France will be gone from the pro migration EU in 5 years.

If immigrants don’t assimilate they must be expelled. There is not going to be a great socialist kumbaya.

You can be anti immigrant and socialist. Most European right wing parties would fall under this rubric. They are fine with socialism, they just want to limit it to their own citizens. If labor wasnt gutted in this country, we’d probably have similar strains on the left and right

Hungary is a good example of this. https://dnyuz.com/2023/11/12/hungary-pm-rips-western-european-immigration-policies-says-he-doesnt-want-mini-gazas-in-budapest/