I’m banned for calling Jeff Anti-Semitic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

Yes, another negative consequence of Western colonialism is the spread of antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Palestinians were massacred and forcibly removed from their lands in 1948 to create the nation of Israel (with the help of western powers like Britain). And they continue to be brutally occupied by Israel. Palestinians are also humans and also deserve to live.

First of all - no.

Second of all - tell me your Thanksgiving plans. I assume you're inviting a Native American family to your home to slaughter your children and take your house, and when they do, you'll smile and thank them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Palestinians were massacred and forcibly removed from their lands in 1948 to create the nation of Israel (with the help of western powers like Britain). And they continue to be brutally occupied by Israel. Palestinians are also humans and also deserve to live.

+1,000

You are a conspiracy theorist if you do not believe this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

This is a profoundly whitewashed version of history. There have been many violent purges of Jews at the hands of Muslims for centuries.

Posts like this are why I have little hope of this conflict resolving, however. If there is such consistent denialism about the extreme violence Jews have faced for being Jews globally, I don’t know why any Jew would would trust external peacekeepers or organizations.

This denialism is of course is true on both sides of this conflict. While I don’t trust any numbers coming out of or influenced by Hamas, anyone denying that thousands have died in Gaza after 10/7 is ignoring hard evidence in front of their eyes. I don’t think it really matters whether the Gazan health ministry is exaggerating; the death toll specifics are less important than the fact of the deaths.

In any event I am pessimistic about this resolving peacefully. The Jews rightfully see their very existence at threat and have thousands of years of history to justify that understanding. The Palestinians rightfully see that Israel is systematically destroying north Gaza to rubble to root out Hamas and killing thousands in the process. Neither side will acknowledge the truths the other side is living.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

This is a profoundly whitewashed version of history. There have been many violent purges of Jews at the hands of Muslims for centuries.

Posts like this are why I have little hope of this conflict resolving, however. If there is such consistent denialism about the extreme violence Jews have faced for being Jews globally, I don’t know why any Jew would would trust external peacekeepers or organizations.

This denialism is of course is true on both sides of this conflict. While I don’t trust any numbers coming out of or influenced by Hamas, anyone denying that thousands have died in Gaza after 10/7 is ignoring hard evidence in front of their eyes. I don’t think it really matters whether the Gazan health ministry is exaggerating; the death toll specifics are less important than the fact of the deaths.

In any event I am pessimistic about this resolving peacefully. The Jews rightfully see their very existence at threat and have thousands of years of history to justify that understanding. The Palestinians rightfully see that Israel is systematically destroying north Gaza to rubble to root out Hamas and killing thousands in the process. Neither side will acknowledge the truths the other side is living.

This is not “white washed”. This is what my family lived through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are you banned if you can still post?

They probably got banned on their home WiFi network and are posting this on their phone. It’s usually two separate providers.

[Anonymous]

This is "Website Feedback" forum.

Please take the "Middle East War feedback" elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Personal attacks on specific individuals are always banworthy offenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Palestinians were massacred and forcibly removed from their lands in 1948 to create the nation of Israel (with the help of western powers like Britain). And they continue to be brutally occupied by Israel. Palestinians are also humans and also deserve to live.

+1,000

You are a conspiracy theorist if you do not believe this.

You can't call someone a conspiracy theorist if they have not proposed a conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

OP, stop yourself. You've been going at this for years. Please find another venue to post your idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Well, it is his site...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How are you posting then? From your phone? Jeff, ban her phone too.

Learn how IP addressing works

Cute. You’re using a vpn. Lots of us do but we don’t use them to get around being banned.

Why are you obsessed with Jeff and/or this site?

[Anonymous]

Call him a MAGA and he'll REALLY ban you! 😄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

I support Israelis but not Netanyahu and his deranged cronies and what they are doing. I’m afraid, like you, that he is doing terrible damage to the future of Israel. Anyone who refers to this as an anti Israel sentiment is part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

You make a lot of good points.