I’m banned for calling Jeff Anti-Semitic

[Anonymous]

I am very pro-Israel, but you deserve to be banned if you are stupid enough to call the person who owns the site a slur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am very pro-Israel, but you deserve to be banned if you are stupid enough to call the person who owns the site a slur.

The way that slur is commonly used, if applied to Jeff, it would be an accurate application.

[Anonymous]

Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

[Anonymous]

How are you posting then? From your phone? Jeff, ban her phone too.

[Anonymous]

How do you post if you are banned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

You are quite the simplistic, binary thinker, aren’t you?

Typical of brain rot in right wing nut jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you post if you are banned?

+1
And still lurking around? It's creepy. Get a hobby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are you posting then? From your phone? Jeff, ban her phone too.

Learn how IP addressing works

[Anonymous]

I just read one of his summaries - and realized how anti-Israel he is. I’m shocked and dismayed.

Will be letting my community know.

[Anonymous]

Jeff is not an anti-Semite. He’s simply someone who does not support Israel. I don’t either, and I’m Jewish.

It’s not possible to be a democracy and an ethnostate. Jewish nationalism is no more compatible with democracy than Christian nationalism is.

Hamas thrives in tension with settlers like the one interviewed here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers. She and her fellows have terrorized Palestinians for decades, with the at first tacit and now open support of the Israeli government.

If the only way we can feel safe is to bring misery to another people, we are not actually safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Did he defend her murder?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Did he defend her murder?

No, of course not. I haven't responded to this thread because I don't feel there is anything to be gained from debating the topic. People are free to have whatever opinions they want to have about me. All of my posts are under my name and everyone can read them for themselves and come to whatever conclusion they want. But, with regard to this specific topic of Shani Louk, I think that her murder was horrifying and that there are no circumstances that could justify it. Indeed, the reality of what happened to her is terrible enough that it needs no embellishment. I questioned some of the allegations that posters were repeatedly making with regard to her treatment because the claims were not supported by any evidence of which I was aware. In two out of the three specific claims that I questioned, basically everyone agreed that there was no factual support. The third was really a question of interpretation and I accepted the explanations that posters provided. But, apparently for at least one poster, simply trying to stick to the facts is antisemitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

[Anonymous]

I’m a pro Israel Jew and granddaughter of a living holocaust survivor. Also met Jeff years ago when we lived nearby in DC.

I’m laughing at the thought of him being anti-Semitic. You can be both sympathetic to the people living in Gaza AND against hamas AND not be anti-Semitic.

What an odd post.