I’m banned for calling Jeff Anti-Semitic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are you posting then? From your phone? Jeff, ban her phone too.

Learn how IP addressing works

So Jeff banned your wifi address. He needs to ban your cell too. Then you'll only be able to post from Starbucks or the doctor's office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

PP you replied to. Well I can respect your view, not because I necessarily agree with all of it, but because you're intelligent and honest enough to understand nuance. Nuance is in terribly short supply on internet message boards.

[Anonymous]

His site, his rules. Move on if you don't like it. I have certain topics I'd post about, but I don't for that reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meh, you deserved it. I'm assuming you have a very pro-Israel stance? If so, you need to do some self reflection during your ban. Not everyone that believes Palestinians have been harmed for decades is antisemitic or even closet antisemitic. You can be anti-hate and objectively believe Palestinians have been wronged.

This is what 99% of the world thinks. But we're in the sole country in the world that has decided to support Israel way beyond what's moral or ethical.
So. There will be people like OP to deal with.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

Palestinians were massacred and forcibly removed from their lands in 1948 to create the nation of Israel (with the help of western powers like Britain). And they continue to be brutally occupied by Israel. Palestinians are also humans and also deserve to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just read one of his summaries - and realized how anti-Israel he is. I’m shocked and dismayed.

Will be letting my community know.

Once again, criticizing the brutal oppression of the Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff is not an anti-Semite. He’s simply someone who does not support Israel. I don’t either, and I’m Jewish.

It’s not possible to be a democracy and an ethnostate. Jewish nationalism is no more compatible with democracy than Christian nationalism is.

Hamas thrives in tension with settlers like the one interviewed here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-extreme-ambitions-of-west-bank-settlers. She and her fellows have terrorized Palestinians for decades, with the at first tacit and now open support of the Israeli government.

If the only way we can feel safe is to bring misery to another people, we are not actually safe.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are you posting then? From your phone? Jeff, ban her phone too.

Learn how IP addressing works

So Jeff banned your wifi address. He needs to ban your cell too. Then you'll only be able to post from Starbucks or the doctor's office.

Nope!

[Anonymous]

This is like having Texas slowly annex parts of Mexico claiming that they are narco terrorists and killing all who oppose. In any other circumstances this would be considered war. And no one denies that Mexico is a Narco state and contains narcoterrorists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read one of his summaries - and realized how anti-Israel he is. I’m shocked and dismayed.

Will be letting my community know.

Once again, criticizing the brutal oppression of the Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

But the particular way some people frame their aruguments is. Whenever a Jewish person claims antisemitism, I believe them. Also, even I as a non Jew can see how when some argue, they acting in an anti-Semetic way. Just because you believe wholeheartedly what you say, doesn't mean that for what you are saying, it is impossible for it to be anti-Semitic. An anti Semitic may not be able to recognize anti Semitism, because to it is "truth".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read one of his summaries - and realized how anti-Israel he is. I’m shocked and dismayed.

Will be letting my community know.

Once again, criticizing the brutal oppression of the Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

But the particular way some people frame their aruguments is. Whenever a Jewish person claims antisemitism, I believe them. Also, even I as a non Jew can see how when some argue, they acting in an anti-Semetic way. Just because you believe wholeheartedly what you say, doesn't mean that for what you are saying, it is impossible for it to be anti-Semitic. An anti Semitic may not be able to recognize anti Semitism, because to it is "truth".

While I’m sure that the vast majority are being sincere and truthful, I don’t automatically assume that 100% of Jewish people are reporting antisemitism accurately. In fact, if it’s someone with unscrupulous morals (AKA MAGA) then I’d definitely take a closer look before fully believing them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/education-outreach/Brief-History-on-Anti-Semitism-A.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/education-outreach/Brief-History-on-Anti-Semitism-A.pdf

Sorry, but I don’t trust something published by the ADL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality: Jeff has stated outright he’s sympathetic to the Palestinian cause so I don’t think there needs to be guesswork there. He doesn’t see his words as anti-Semitic. Do I think he has blinders on? Yes but I think that of many leftists - idealism to the point that it ‘breaks’ their brains. I do think the statement that led up to Jeff being called an anti-Semite were shocking, especially in regards to Shani Louk. He feels he was adding logic to an atrocious situation, but the visual of seeing that poor girl being paraded around in the state she was in, the torturous calls to her parents, etc, left no need for explanation by anyone. Trying to make that less heinous was not possible.

All of us normal people are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. It's different from supporting terrorists. It's different from supporting the current disproportionate Israeli response (which, BTW, risks the lives of all the hostages).

I don't think many people in this world are anti-Semitic or hate Jews. We just don't want to see Israel annihilate an entire people. Why, if you've spent your existence as a people being discriminated against, do you want to then turn around and do the same thing to others? Israel's behavior in the Middle East these past decades beggar belief, frankly. It has not acted in a humane and civilized manner towards Palestinians.

I can guarantee that if Israel continues in this vein, supported by the US, in a few years everyone will have forgotten the centuries-long European discrimination of Jews, pogroms and Holocaust, and will just know Israel as a barbaric nation that stole land from Palestinians and crushed them into oblivion.

The ugly truth is that the world would have forgotten the centuries-long discrimination, pogroms, and Holocaust of Jews regardless of what Israel does in Palestine, because a significant portion of the world wants all Jews dead. That is the truth I think a lot of Palestinian supporters can’t face. It is why they also insist that Palestine is entirely separate from Hamas and its explicitly genocidal aims, when of course the truth is far more complex and nuanced. It’s because in the horror that is this ancient conflict, it’s very uncomfortable to find yourself on the side of people who have been explicit and loud in their goals of Jewish annihilation.

This is also true to an extent of Israel supporters, who are uncomfortable finding themselves on the side of the extremist settlers who are calling for genocide of Palestinians. But as a non-Jew and non-Israeli, I find I see a lot more Jews/Israel supporters loudly and explicitly distancing themselves from the settlers than I see pro-Palestians distancing themselves from the explicitly genocidal Hamas.

I’ve disagreed with Jeff on many aspects of this conflict, including his characterization of the Shani Louk conversation above (but I have no desire to rehash that here, and will just state that I disagree for the record). But I think it’s deeply unfair to Jeff to call him antisemitic. I report a lot of Islamophobic and antisemitic posts (much more of the latter but there are both) and he deleted then quickly. He also has spoken up when he sees misinformation. He has an open bias — he has been up front — and I think candidly that his analysis is not always correct. But that’s a far cry from being antisemitic. I’m speaking up because as someone who has been absolutely horrified by the loud, open, violent, and extensive antisemitism that has burst forth particularly out of the progressive left, it’s critically important to focus on identifying actual antisemitism. There is plenty of it to target. I see no need to unfairly tarnish Jeff. Please don’t.

During the Spanish Inquisition, Jews were killed, persecuted then expelled from Spain. Where did those Jews go? To Arab lands like the Maghreb (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, etc…). They then went on to live peacefully for centuries with their Muslim neighbors. During the murder of millions of Jews in Europe in WWII, there were Jews living peacefully in Arab and Muslim countries like Iran (if you don’t believe me, Google Mizrahi Jews). Antisemitism was started by Europeans in Europe. Prior to the creation of Israel, Arabs and Jews lived together peacefully.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/education-outreach/Brief-History-on-Anti-Semitism-A.pdf

Sorry, but I don’t trust something published by the ADL.

PP again. What I do trust is the stories I heard growing up from my Muslim family members about how they lived peacefully with their Jewish neighbors. On Saturdays, it was the Muslim neighbors who would help the Jewish families turn on their lights, turn on their gas stoves to heat food, call the elevator for them, etc…