Why are dozens of principals leaving Fairfax Co. schools?

Anonymous
So, 53 over 3.25 school years comes out to 16.3 per year, which is 7.3% turnover per year (for retirements, not including any promotions or other moves within the system).

What's the average turnover for principals in other districts?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Send Dr Reid back to the West Coast.


Agree 100%

But the democrats just voted to give her many years of job security.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Send Dr Reid back to the West Coast.


Agree 100%

But the democrats just voted to give her many years of job security.


They can find a competent, moderate democrat, with a solid background and critical thinking skills. Dr Brabrand was highly educated.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Send Dr Reid back to the West Coast.


Agree 100%

But the democrats just voted to give her many years of job security.


They can find a competent, moderate democrat, with a solid background and critical thinking skills. Dr Brabrand was highly educated.


They could, but they won’t.

Don’t you know who leads the FCPS council?? Extreme radical, Karl Frisch.

Extremism won, and you voted for it.
Anonymous
I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So, 53 over 3.25 school years comes out to 16.3 per year, which is 7.3% turnover per year (for retirements, not including any promotions or other moves within the system).

What's the average turnover for principals in other districts?


The average principal turnover rate in the US is 22%. So FCPS is relatively low.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


They have done multiple pay increases, including targeted ones for positions with hiring or retention challenges, such as bus drivers, subs and administrators.

They have made leave changes such as allowing sick leave to be taken before accrual and a leave bank.

They draft changed PD to reduce the required time.

They added planning time for ES teachers.

That’s off the top of my mind and I credit Reid, not the board, for those changes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


They have done multiple pay increases, including targeted ones for positions with hiring or retention challenges, such as bus drivers, subs and administrators.

They have made leave changes such as allowing sick leave to be taken before accrual and a leave bank.

They draft changed PD to reduce the required time.

They added planning time for ES teachers.

That’s off the top of my mind and I credit Reid, not the board, for those changes.


Drastically not draft
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


They have done multiple pay increases, including targeted ones for positions with hiring or retention challenges, such as bus drivers, subs and administrators.

They have made leave changes such as allowing sick leave to be taken before accrual and a leave bank.

They draft changed PD to reduce the required time.

They added planning time for ES teachers.


That’s off the top of my mind and I credit Reid, not the board, for those changes.


There have not been any changes to planning time for ES teachers, only discussion without real results. They did add pretests to some trainings, but they did not reduce the number in any way. The pay increases for teachers, at least, have been the expected step increases and cost of living adjustments. I think you are somewhat overstating her accomplishments.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


Actually they are. Principals at the top end of the scale just got a 5% raise in their October paycheck. That’s Reid’s doing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


They have done multiple pay increases, including targeted ones for positions with hiring or retention challenges, such as bus drivers, subs and administrators.

They have made leave changes such as allowing sick leave to be taken before accrual and a leave bank.

They draft changed PD to reduce the required time.

They added planning time for ES teachers.


That’s off the top of my mind and I credit Reid, not the board, for those changes.


There have not been any changes to planning time for ES teachers, only discussion without real results. They did add pretests to some trainings, but they did not reduce the number in any way. The pay increases for teachers, at least, have been the expected step increases and cost of living adjustments. I think you are somewhat overstating her accomplishments.


The amount of time spent in those preservice trainings dropped DRAMATICALLY. The poster you responded to said that the required TIME was reduced. To dismiss that and quibble over the number of trainings (many of which FCPS has no control over) makes you look petty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


They have done multiple pay increases, including targeted ones for positions with hiring or retention challenges, such as bus drivers, subs and administrators.

They have made leave changes such as allowing sick leave to be taken before accrual and a leave bank.

They draft changed PD to reduce the required time.

They added planning time for ES teachers.


That’s off the top of my mind and I credit Reid, not the board, for those changes.


There have not been any changes to planning time for ES teachers, only discussion without real results. They did add pretests to some trainings, but they did not reduce the number in any way. The pay increases for teachers, at least, have been the expected step increases and cost of living adjustments. I think you are somewhat overstating her accomplishments.


The elementary planning came on the backs of giving specialists a larger workload at the expense of their other duties. She then said that she thought the issue was fixed at one of her listening sessions. Do not credit her with fixing planning time.

HR is a total mess. Giving people leave up front is a step in the right direction, but the gripes listed in the article are very real and are a direct result of an out of touch and unchecked HR department. The hiring process is disorganized and slow. The entire staffing process/meeting schedule remains a mess. Principals have no clearity around destaffs and have long wait times to get positions approved. Given that Reid has said that overstaffs will basically not happen next year, I doubt the hiring issues will be any better next year. More changes and more chaos.
Anonymous
I’m the PP who listed several changes Reid did and I totally agree about HR. They are awful! Can’t we outsource HR to get competent people?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the whatever is causing people to leave started well before Dr. Reid started six months ago. Think back to Brabrand - he was a MESS.


YES! FCPS has been a MESS for a long time. Teachers and principals are done. FCPS is a crappy work environment. And Gatehouse is filled with a bunch of tone deaf do nothings. This will get worse because FCPS is doing nothing to make people want to stay.


Actually they are. Principals at the top end of the scale just got a 5% raise in their October paycheck. That’s Reid’s doing.


The 5% is great, but the principals I personally know who left would not have stayed because of a raise. Many of our surrounding systems have fewer layers to leadership and more support from county leadership. That is what ultimately led to them leaving for greener pastures. FCPS has far too many layers and Willow Oaks specialists of nothing.
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