Why are dozens of principals leaving Fairfax Co. schools?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I'm just tired of every post being about teachers and how awful they have it. It's like toxic masculinity or black lives matter. At some point, people just stop listening. There is never a bright spot, every topic becomes about them, it's too much. This is an optional forum for parents. There is not one teacher that ever needs to come on here. Not one teacher needs to answer for anything anyone says here. It's a parent board. The religious people are tired of having to deal with athiests coming on their board. Well, I'm tired of every parent thread on schools being about how awful parents and kids are. We can't even talk about anything here without this one specific teacher coming on here all the time to bash students and parents. She has no idea why principals are leaving and they aren't even leaving at a greater rate than anywhere else. She's not a principal. She's an English teacher and she occupies every thread on here. She's the same English teacher who complains that she grades all these assignments all the time and we all told her that she was the only one so it wasn't necessary because the other English teachers weren't and she still went on a tirade about how terrible her job was. She has a martyr complex. There are so few essays in FCPS to begin with and anything done at home is worth so little if at all. They are all formative assignments and not summatives. So I smell something fishy with some at-home assignment needing a phone call about plagiarism. Most FCPS teachers aren't even grading formative work, must less checking for plagiarism. Why would this even be an issue in FCPS if they are all about assessments in class for the majority of grades? The story doesn't add up. And why come on a mommy board to make every topic about teacher woes against parents if not to incite? Go on your own teacher association forum. This post is about principals. This "teacher" can't even make their comments about the actual topic at hand.

ALL posts on this forum get derailed, that is nothing new. This post has covered SB members to vouchers to teachers. This is not just “a parent forum,” anyone can post on it. But since we’re discussing it, parents 1000% start every discussion about how bad FCPS and the teachers are. Every. Single. One.

Because it's a parent page. Who did you think would? Other teachers? There are some that complain about their principals and coworkers but for the most part they have other pages to do this stuff. I think you are expecting too much from this page. Facebook is a highlight reel. DCUM is a problem reel. It's not life. It's just a webpage where people post problems for crowdsourcing.

Where does it say that only parents can comment on this page?

It doesn't but in the title it says dc urban moms and dads so most people here come on to post to other parents, not act like they are at a school board meeting or teacher conference. To expect that parents aren't going to come on here and complain about whatever they have problems with in the school system is being unrealistic. There is a Fairfax federation of teachers page. It would be equally weird to have that page not be about issues teachers were having.

I’m not a teacher but I appreciate and am interested on what teachers have to say. There is a lot of misinformation on this website about teachers and the school system so it’s helpful to see their perspective.

And that's fine but there are one or two teachers who come on here obviously addicted to drama that post how parents are so awful and it's completely counterproductive to their work and to this forum. It doesn't clear up anything. It just spreads more unnecessary drama.

I suspect I’m the “English teacher” criticized above. (Just catching up on this thread.) I have **NEVER** posted anything negative about parents. Not once. Ever. Parents don’t even rate as one of my issues with this profession.

I suspect there’s an anti-teacher poster on this thread who has lumped many teachers posting here into one archnemesis.

And this anti teacher poster is another teacher? Or single person? Since you never criticize or put down parents right? Your comment is a put down. You just ignore your own behavior.

I just read this multiple times and I’m still lost. Can you please make your insult toward me more clear? Perhaps then I can address it.

NP - please get a life.

I have one. Thanks for your concern.

I’ve been completely reasonable in my posts. I’ve said nothing insulting. I’ve actually added constructive comments.

If we’ve lowered ourselves to the point of silly juvenile comments, I’m guessing there’s no point in continuing this thread.

Wanting to seriously address insults thrown toward you on an anonymous message board screams you need a life. Lol.

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Why couldn’t this thread have stayed about principal departures and not hijacked by the same teachers with the same litany of complaints? Don’t you take off points when students can’t write an essay about the assigned topic?

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Anonymous wrote:Why couldn’t this thread have stayed about principal departures and not hijacked by the same teachers with the same litany of complaints? Don’t you take off points when students can’t write an essay about the assigned topic?

Because there’s nothing more to say. Being a principal right now is different than in years past and really hard. The departures in FCPS are below the national average. What more is there to discuss other than gossip about people who never asked to be discussed on a public forum?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I'm just tired of every post being about teachers and how awful they have it. It's like toxic masculinity or black lives matter. At some point, people just stop listening. There is never a bright spot, every topic becomes about them, it's too much. This is an optional forum for parents. There is not one teacher that ever needs to come on here. Not one teacher needs to answer for anything anyone says here. It's a parent board. The religious people are tired of having to deal with athiests coming on their board. Well, I'm tired of every parent thread on schools being about how awful parents and kids are. We can't even talk about anything here without this one specific teacher coming on here all the time to bash students and parents. She has no idea why principals are leaving and they aren't even leaving at a greater rate than anywhere else. She's not a principal. She's an English teacher and she occupies every thread on here. She's the same English teacher who complains that she grades all these assignments all the time and we all told her that she was the only one so it wasn't necessary because the other English teachers weren't and she still went on a tirade about how terrible her job was. She has a martyr complex. There are so few essays in FCPS to begin with and anything done at home is worth so little if at all. They are all formative assignments and not summatives. So I smell something fishy with some at-home assignment needing a phone call about plagiarism. Most FCPS teachers aren't even grading formative work, must less checking for plagiarism. Why would this even be an issue in FCPS if they are all about assessments in class for the majority of grades? The story doesn't add up. And why come on a mommy board to make every topic about teacher woes against parents if not to incite? Go on your own teacher association forum. This post is about principals. This "teacher" can't even make their comments about the actual topic at hand.

ALL posts on this forum get derailed, that is nothing new. This post has covered SB members to vouchers to teachers. This is not just “a parent forum,” anyone can post on it. But since we’re discussing it, parents 1000% start every discussion about how bad FCPS and the teachers are. Every. Single. One.

Because it's a parent page. Who did you think would? Other teachers? There are some that complain about their principals and coworkers but for the most part they have other pages to do this stuff. I think you are expecting too much from this page. Facebook is a highlight reel. DCUM is a problem reel. It's not life. It's just a webpage where people post problems for crowdsourcing.

Where does it say that only parents can comment on this page?

It doesn't but in the title it says dc urban moms and dads so most people here come on to post to other parents, not act like they are at a school board meeting or teacher conference. To expect that parents aren't going to come on here and complain about whatever they have problems with in the school system is being unrealistic. There is a Fairfax federation of teachers page. It would be equally weird to have that page not be about issues teachers were having.

I’m not a teacher but I appreciate and am interested on what teachers have to say. There is a lot of misinformation on this website about teachers and the school system so it’s helpful to see their perspective.

And that's fine but there are one or two teachers who come on here obviously addicted to drama that post how parents are so awful and it's completely counterproductive to their work and to this forum. It doesn't clear up anything. It just spreads more unnecessary drama.

I suspect I’m the “English teacher” criticized above. (Just catching up on this thread.) I have **NEVER** posted anything negative about parents. Not once. Ever. Parents don’t even rate as one of my issues with this profession.

I suspect there’s an anti-teacher poster on this thread who has lumped many teachers posting here into one archnemesis.

And this anti teacher poster is another teacher? Or single person? Since you never criticize or put down parents right? Your comment is a put down. You just ignore your own behavior.

I just read this multiple times and I’m still lost. Can you please make your insult toward me more clear? Perhaps then I can address it.

NP - please get a life.

I have one. Thanks for your concern.

I’ve been completely reasonable in my posts. I’ve said nothing insulting. I’ve actually added constructive comments.

If we’ve lowered ourselves to the point of silly juvenile comments, I’m guessing there’s no point in continuing this thread.

Wanting to seriously address insults thrown toward you on an anonymous message board screams you need a life. Lol.

Okay. So we aren’t trying to have anything remotely close to a reasoned, adult conversation. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I'm just tired of every post being about teachers and how awful they have it. It's like toxic masculinity or black lives matter. At some point, people just stop listening. There is never a bright spot, every topic becomes about them, it's too much. This is an optional forum for parents. There is not one teacher that ever needs to come on here. Not one teacher needs to answer for anything anyone says here. It's a parent board. The religious people are tired of having to deal with athiests coming on their board. Well, I'm tired of every parent thread on schools being about how awful parents and kids are. We can't even talk about anything here without this one specific teacher coming on here all the time to bash students and parents. She has no idea why principals are leaving and they aren't even leaving at a greater rate than anywhere else. She's not a principal. She's an English teacher and she occupies every thread on here. She's the same English teacher who complains that she grades all these assignments all the time and we all told her that she was the only one so it wasn't necessary because the other English teachers weren't and she still went on a tirade about how terrible her job was. She has a martyr complex. There are so few essays in FCPS to begin with and anything done at home is worth so little if at all. They are all formative assignments and not summatives. So I smell something fishy with some at-home assignment needing a phone call about plagiarism. Most FCPS teachers aren't even grading formative work, must less checking for plagiarism. Why would this even be an issue in FCPS if they are all about assessments in class for the majority of grades? The story doesn't add up. And why come on a mommy board to make every topic about teacher woes against parents if not to incite? Go on your own teacher association forum. This post is about principals. This "teacher" can't even make their comments about the actual topic at hand.

ALL posts on this forum get derailed, that is nothing new. This post has covered SB members to vouchers to teachers. This is not just “a parent forum,” anyone can post on it. But since we’re discussing it, parents 1000% start every discussion about how bad FCPS and the teachers are. Every. Single. One.

Because it's a parent page. Who did you think would? Other teachers? There are some that complain about their principals and coworkers but for the most part they have other pages to do this stuff. I think you are expecting too much from this page. Facebook is a highlight reel. DCUM is a problem reel. It's not life. It's just a webpage where people post problems for crowdsourcing.

Where does it say that only parents can comment on this page?

It doesn't but in the title it says dc urban moms and dads so most people here come on to post to other parents, not act like they are at a school board meeting or teacher conference. To expect that parents aren't going to come on here and complain about whatever they have problems with in the school system is being unrealistic. There is a Fairfax federation of teachers page. It would be equally weird to have that page not be about issues teachers were having.

I’m not a teacher but I appreciate and am interested on what teachers have to say. There is a lot of misinformation on this website about teachers and the school system so it’s helpful to see their perspective.

And that's fine but there are one or two teachers who come on here obviously addicted to drama that post how parents are so awful and it's completely counterproductive to their work and to this forum. It doesn't clear up anything. It just spreads more unnecessary drama.

I suspect I’m the “English teacher” criticized above. (Just catching up on this thread.) I have **NEVER** posted anything negative about parents. Not once. Ever. Parents don’t even rate as one of my issues with this profession.

I suspect there’s an anti-teacher poster on this thread who has lumped many teachers posting here into one archnemesis.

And this anti teacher poster is another teacher? Or single person? Since you never criticize or put down parents right? Your comment is a put down. You just ignore your own behavior.

I just read this multiple times and I’m still lost. Can you please make your insult toward me more clear? Perhaps then I can address it.

NP - please get a life.

I have one. Thanks for your concern.

I’ve been completely reasonable in my posts. I’ve said nothing insulting. I’ve actually added constructive comments.

If we’ve lowered ourselves to the point of silly juvenile comments, I’m guessing there’s no point in continuing this thread.

Wanting to seriously address insults thrown toward you on an anonymous message board screams you need a life. Lol.

Okay. So we aren’t trying to have anything remotely close to a reasoned, adult conversation. Got it.

NP, That was the first few pages, now time to move on to the next topic.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I'm just tired of every post being about teachers and how awful they have it. It's like toxic masculinity or black lives matter. At some point, people just stop listening. There is never a bright spot, every topic becomes about them, it's too much. This is an optional forum for parents. There is not one teacher that ever needs to come on here. Not one teacher needs to answer for anything anyone says here. It's a parent board. The religious people are tired of having to deal with athiests coming on their board. Well, I'm tired of every parent thread on schools being about how awful parents and kids are. We can't even talk about anything here without this one specific teacher coming on here all the time to bash students and parents. She has no idea why principals are leaving and they aren't even leaving at a greater rate than anywhere else. She's not a principal. She's an English teacher and she occupies every thread on here. She's the same English teacher who complains that she grades all these assignments all the time and we all told her that she was the only one so it wasn't necessary because the other English teachers weren't and she still went on a tirade about how terrible her job was. She has a martyr complex. There are so few essays in FCPS to begin with and anything done at home is worth so little if at all. They are all formative assignments and not summatives. So I smell something fishy with some at-home assignment needing a phone call about plagiarism. Most FCPS teachers aren't even grading formative work, must less checking for plagiarism. Why would this even be an issue in FCPS if they are all about assessments in class for the majority of grades? The story doesn't add up. And why come on a mommy board to make every topic about teacher woes against parents if not to incite? Go on your own teacher association forum. This post is about principals. This "teacher" can't even make their comments about the actual topic at hand.

ALL posts on this forum get derailed, that is nothing new. This post has covered SB members to vouchers to teachers. This is not just “a parent forum,” anyone can post on it. But since we’re discussing it, parents 1000% start every discussion about how bad FCPS and the teachers are. Every. Single. One.

Because it's a parent page. Who did you think would? Other teachers? There are some that complain about their principals and coworkers but for the most part they have other pages to do this stuff. I think you are expecting too much from this page. Facebook is a highlight reel. DCUM is a problem reel. It's not life. It's just a webpage where people post problems for crowdsourcing.

Where does it say that only parents can comment on this page?

It doesn't but in the title it says dc urban moms and dads so most people here come on to post to other parents, not act like they are at a school board meeting or teacher conference. To expect that parents aren't going to come on here and complain about whatever they have problems with in the school system is being unrealistic. There is a Fairfax federation of teachers page. It would be equally weird to have that page not be about issues teachers were having.

I’m not a teacher but I appreciate and am interested on what teachers have to say. There is a lot of misinformation on this website about teachers and the school system so it’s helpful to see their perspective.

And that's fine but there are one or two teachers who come on here obviously addicted to drama that post how parents are so awful and it's completely counterproductive to their work and to this forum. It doesn't clear up anything. It just spreads more unnecessary drama.

I suspect I’m the “English teacher” criticized above. (Just catching up on this thread.) I have **NEVER** posted anything negative about parents. Not once. Ever. Parents don’t even rate as one of my issues with this profession.

I suspect there’s an anti-teacher poster on this thread who has lumped many teachers posting here into one archnemesis.

And this anti teacher poster is another teacher? Or single person? Since you never criticize or put down parents right? Your comment is a put down. You just ignore your own behavior.

I just read this multiple times and I’m still lost. Can you please make your insult toward me more clear? Perhaps then I can address it.

NP - please get a life.

I have one. Thanks for your concern.

I’ve been completely reasonable in my posts. I’ve said nothing insulting. I’ve actually added constructive comments.

If we’ve lowered ourselves to the point of silly juvenile comments, I’m guessing there’s no point in continuing this thread.

Wanting to seriously address insults thrown toward you on an anonymous message board screams you need a life. Lol.

Okay. So we aren’t trying to have anything remotely close to a reasoned, adult conversation. Got it.

I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. This is DCUM!!!! Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I'm just tired of every post being about teachers and how awful they have it. It's like toxic masculinity or black lives matter. At some point, people just stop listening. There is never a bright spot, every topic becomes about them, it's too much. This is an optional forum for parents. There is not one teacher that ever needs to come on here. Not one teacher needs to answer for anything anyone says here. It's a parent board. The religious people are tired of having to deal with athiests coming on their board. Well, I'm tired of every parent thread on schools being about how awful parents and kids are. We can't even talk about anything here without this one specific teacher coming on here all the time to bash students and parents. She has no idea why principals are leaving and they aren't even leaving at a greater rate than anywhere else. She's not a principal. She's an English teacher and she occupies every thread on here. She's the same English teacher who complains that she grades all these assignments all the time and we all told her that she was the only one so it wasn't necessary because the other English teachers weren't and she still went on a tirade about how terrible her job was. She has a martyr complex. There are so few essays in FCPS to begin with and anything done at home is worth so little if at all. They are all formative assignments and not summatives. So I smell something fishy with some at-home assignment needing a phone call about plagiarism. Most FCPS teachers aren't even grading formative work, must less checking for plagiarism. Why would this even be an issue in FCPS if they are all about assessments in class for the majority of grades? The story doesn't add up. And why come on a mommy board to make every topic about teacher woes against parents if not to incite? Go on your own teacher association forum. This post is about principals. This "teacher" can't even make their comments about the actual topic at hand.

ALL posts on this forum get derailed, that is nothing new. This post has covered SB members to vouchers to teachers. This is not just “a parent forum,” anyone can post on it. But since we’re discussing it, parents 1000% start every discussion about how bad FCPS and the teachers are. Every. Single. One.

Because it's a parent page. Who did you think would? Other teachers? There are some that complain about their principals and coworkers but for the most part they have other pages to do this stuff. I think you are expecting too much from this page. Facebook is a highlight reel. DCUM is a problem reel. It's not life. It's just a webpage where people post problems for crowdsourcing.

Where does it say that only parents can comment on this page?

It doesn't but in the title it says dc urban moms and dads so most people here come on to post to other parents, not act like they are at a school board meeting or teacher conference. To expect that parents aren't going to come on here and complain about whatever they have problems with in the school system is being unrealistic. There is a Fairfax federation of teachers page. It would be equally weird to have that page not be about issues teachers were having.

I’m not a teacher but I appreciate and am interested on what teachers have to say. There is a lot of misinformation on this website about teachers and the school system so it’s helpful to see their perspective.

And that's fine but there are one or two teachers who come on here obviously addicted to drama that post how parents are so awful and it's completely counterproductive to their work and to this forum. It doesn't clear up anything. It just spreads more unnecessary drama.

I suspect I’m the “English teacher” criticized above. (Just catching up on this thread.) I have **NEVER** posted anything negative about parents. Not once. Ever. Parents don’t even rate as one of my issues with this profession.

I suspect there’s an anti-teacher poster on this thread who has lumped many teachers posting here into one archnemesis.

+1

There is at least one anti-teacher/anti-FCPS poster on this forum. They always confuse posters too - I’ve been inaccurately lumped into an arch nemesis on other threads.

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Anonymous wrote:At least some of them are retiring to get FCPS pensions while collecting a salary in a new division.

I get the impression Reid actually expects some results from principals and the ones who quit were used to Brabrand’s do-nothing style.

+1. I also get a strong sense from community meetings that Reid is out here pushing for real results - especially for the most disadvantaged and those lagging far behind the norm. I think some principals, specifically those closer to retirement, realize it's going to be hard work to fix the failing schools and jumping ship to a system with less expectations is an easy way out.

I agree with this. It's easy to keep swimming along with the stream, especially if you've been doing it long enough to be close to retirement. Do you really care at that point if the system works or if the stream is clean? Do you care if it is a downright toxic environment for a not-insignificant portion of students? Or do you just want to come in and punch a clock and not have to actually manage anyone or be in charge of fixing anything for the next couple of years?

My guess would be just to punch a clock. That's what I'd want to do, but then again, I don't work in a public environment where I'm expected and entrusted to be a guardian working in the best interest of minors. The system stinks, and when you are in charge of managing a stinky system, then you can't afford to just coast through. If you aren't up to right the ship, then the most responsible thing is to jump ship.

And we are. Nobody wants to work with a parent like you that’s going to try to guilt them into loving an almost impossible job.

Okay twinkle toes. Here’s the thing very few people love their jobs. You are lucky if you do, but most don’t. Love has nothing to do with conducting yourself in a capable, competent and professional manner.

If you want to be the adult equivalent of a schoolyard bully, in total control, and not have your actions be questioned or criticized then may I suggest the FFX county Sheriff’s Office. I hear the county is hiring prison guards.

Go work out your anger, aggression and control issues on the career cons. Warning though when they don’t like you they won’t just grumble and complain to the higher ups. They’ll probably just shank you in the kidney and call it a day.

Hope a career spent policing cafeteria food fights and hallway dilly dalliers hasn’t made you soft.

Oops. Three words in and you already lost. You should have saved yourself the effort of typing out the rest of your subsequent BS.

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What exactly do you not agree with in the post? Do you agree that most people don’t love their jobs? Teachers are not unique in that respect. They also complain when anyone criticizes them. If they want a job where they aren’t criticized, look elsewhere but that would be hard to find.

Are you for real?

That PP bolded the first three words for a reason. Referring to someone as "twinkle toes" is offensive. It is a derogatory term that is inherently homophobic.

You honestly thought that was an appropriate term to use? Even if you thought it was being used to refer to a dancer, that would be a bizarre use of it in context. It was clearly used in a derogatory manner.

Okay Toots! You clearly need to get out more because you are completely unhinged!

Most teachers are female… and correct me if I’m wrong here but why would anyone jump to the conclusion that the person using twinkle toes to describe an overwrought female teacher is somehow a homophobe..: truly bizarre… when one is being homophobic in relation to lesbians I hardly think the word chosen would be twinkle toes .. and what does homophobia have to do with anything .., Derogatory? Meant to be insulting well yea that was the point as in lightweight and not to be taken seriously. I’ll give you sexist, and infantilizing and poking fun at the least talented in this most pink collared of all of the pink collared professions. But homophobic? Lols grow some ya dimwitted whiny ninny!

Or you could just grow TF up and stop calling people names.