Why no honors for French 5?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

[Anonymous]

Get a life, people. No one cares about the technical classification of your kid's FIFTH YEAR studying the same elective.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

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Or else your child is applying to a school that is not familiar with BCC or MCPS curriculum, the honors designation doesn't matter. AOs know the curriculum at the schools within their assigned region.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

According to the Whitman school profile linked earlier, "Honors, Advanced Placement and Advanced Level courses are identified on student transcripts as HON and ADV."

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

According to the Whitman school profile linked earlier, "Honors, Advanced Placement and Advanced Level courses are identified on student transcripts as HON and ADV."

Exactly. But PP won’t let her complaint drop no matter how much evidence is shared that it’s a non issue. Advanced is above honors.

[Anonymous]

So for kids who do language 4 in their freshman year, most are doing AP in their sophomore year? Lnguage 5 and 6 just slow it down for them to do AP in junior or senior year?

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Anonymous wrote:So for kids who do language 4 in their freshman year, most are doing AP in their sophomore year? Lnguage 5 and 6 just slow it down for them to do AP in junior or senior year?

YES

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Anonymous wrote:So for kids who do language 4 in their freshman year, most are doing AP in their sophomore year? Lnguage 5 and 6 just slow it down for them to do AP in junior or senior year?

YES

This is in line with how it was in my public school growing up. You did 1 year of the langauge in junior high (spreading it out of two years), then did three years in high school prior to taking the AP senior year. There was no way to spread it out further.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

According to the Whitman school profile linked earlier, "Honors, Advanced Placement and Advanced Level courses are identified on student transcripts as HON and ADV."

Exactly. But PP won’t let her complaint drop no matter how much evidence is shared that it’s a non issue. Advanced is above honors.

That is because PP (me) saw her two kids’ transcripts and know how it looked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

According to the Whitman school profile linked earlier, "Honors, Advanced Placement and Advanced Level courses are identified on student transcripts as HON and ADV."

Exactly. But PP won’t let her complaint drop no matter how much evidence is shared that it’s a non issue. Advanced is above honors.

That is because PP (me) saw her two kids’ transcripts and know how it looked.

How do you see their transcripts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So for kids who do language 4 in their freshman year, most are doing AP in their sophomore year? Lnguage 5 and 6 just slow it down for them to do AP in junior or senior year?

YES

Not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t “Advanced Level” trump “Honors” anyway? Most of my kid’s magnet classes are “advanced” rather than honors.

Whether it does or doesn’t (and I don’t think it does in this context at my kids’ hs, I think it is just the equivalent of french 5 honors), no one (i.e., college admissions) would understand that when no other courses on the transcript are listed as “advanced level.” Meaning, as my kids’ hs there are lots of honors and AP classes but no advanced, with the exception of french/spanish 5. So it stands out that this one class isn’t being taken as honors.

AP and IB classes are also Advanced Level.

This is true. Just scroll through the HS course bulletin and look in the Course Info column. Every course with "(AL)" there is Advanced Level, and there are many.

http://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/publications/HSCourseBulletin2024.pdf

I don’t care what the course bulletin says. I know in practice that French/Spanish 5 is basically the same as honors and gets the same weighting as honors. I am talking about the transcript, which is what colleges see. The transcript says AP or honors but does not for French/Spanish 5. I do not understand why mcps doesn’t label french/spanish 5 as honors so it doesn’t stick out on the transcript and look like the kid levelled down in world language near the end of high school.

The complaint you have also allows to all the advanced level courses such as magnet courses. It’s unfounded. They are ADVANCED LEVEL courses. Colleges understand this for magnet classes and they understand it for IB and I’m sure they can understand it for foreign languages. It’s not that hard!

Most kids at mcps high schools are not at magnet or IB. My kids’ hs only has honors and AP, so the one designation off that formst for french/spanish 5 looks “off.”

According to the Whitman school profile linked earlier, "Honors, Advanced Placement and Advanced Level courses are identified on student transcripts as HON and ADV."

Exactly. But PP won’t let her complaint drop no matter how much evidence is shared that it’s a non issue. Advanced is above honors.

That is because PP (me) saw her two kids’ transcripts and know how it looked.

How do you see their transcripts?

Look at them again and note the designation that they are advanced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not labeled as Honors, but it is Advanced Level, which has the same weight as Honors/AP in the weighted GPA.

Nope.

While it is not labeled as "honors," it is indeed labeled as "Advanced Level": https://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/CourseDetails/Index/WLG2045A.

Some teachers may recommend to (or some kids might want to) skip French 5 and go straight to AP French. Possible scenarios are if you're coming into high school from a French immersion background or if you've done well in middle school French 3, etc. But, some kids might want to go slower and insert the French 5 into their French track, depending on their other classes. I'm glad French 5 is an option.

Yup. Mine did this.

Also, to the Nope person, AP, Honors and Advanced all carry the same weighting of 1 pt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not labeled as Honors, but it is Advanced Level, which has the same weight as Honors/AP in the weighted GPA.

Nope.

While it is not labeled as "honors," it is indeed labeled as "Advanced Level": https://coursebulletin.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/CourseDetails/Index/WLG2045A.

Some teachers may recommend to (or some kids might want to) skip French 5 and go straight to AP French. Possible scenarios are if you're coming into high school from a French immersion background or if you've done well in middle school French 3, etc. But, some kids might want to go slower and insert the French 5 into their French track, depending on their other classes. I'm glad French 5 is an option.

Yup. Mine did this.

Also, to the Nope person, AP, Honors and Advanced all carry the same weighting of 1 pt.

That will depend on the colleges they apply to. The University of California doesn't count a single Honors class outside of California. Only APs.