What is AAP really?

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so glad my kid has a good jump shot.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

Do you post this same thing every week? I swear you've posted this at least twice already. Get a life.

Why are you so prickly? Struck a nerve?

I'm not sure what nerve would have been struck by someone pointing out that you have posted this same thing multiple times.

Actually I haven't. For the record, I'm hoping that my dc will get in AAP but sometimes I wonder what is really gained. Is it mostly academic or mostly peer group or something else. I don't agree with the AAP is segregation of rich vs poor take. My impression is that it is somewhat about academics but also very much an attempt to get away from behavioral issues in gen ed classes (which motivates me as well).

I think the main value of AAP is the peer group (partly with respect to the kids and partly with respect to the kids' parents). That is, you have a group of kids that had to do something to get into a separate program, meaning either the kids or parents care (or maybe, it's just that they have the time to care) enough to apply. It's not perfect and there are still problems, but I think maybe it's slightly better.

I don't think that there is any value of AAP with respect to the instruction itself or the additional materials.

[Anonymous]

It really depends on your school. Our base school is an immersion school and only introduces advanced math in 6th grade. There is a chance the administration MIGHT drop that down to 5th. My DS is very strong in math, and we’re referring to AAP since he wouldn’t get the challenge he needs for a few more years without getting into Level IV and going to our assigned center.

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Anonymous wrote:It's definitely advanced math.

But I thought you can do the same advanced math without being in AAP?

I think you can now. When my now 9th grader and now 6th grader were deciding whether to go to the AAP center, you could not have that math at their local base until 5th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

Do you post this same thing every week? I swear you've posted this at least twice already. Get a life.

Why are you so prickly? Struck a nerve?

I'm not sure what nerve would have been struck by someone pointing out that you have posted this same thing multiple times.

Actually I haven't. For the record, I'm hoping that my dc will get in AAP but sometimes I wonder what is really gained. Is it mostly academic or mostly peer group or something else. I don't agree with the AAP is segregation of rich vs poor take. My impression is that it is somewhat about academics but also very much an attempt to get away from behavioral issues in gen ed classes (which motivates me as well).

I think the main value of AAP is the peer group (partly with respect to the kids and partly with respect to the kids' parents). That is, you have a group of kids that had to do something to get into a separate program, meaning either the kids or parents care (or maybe, it's just that they have the time to care) enough to apply. It's not perfect and there are still problems, but I think maybe it's slightly better.

I don't think that there is any value of AAP with respect to the instruction itself or the additional materials.[/quote

Fwiw, at our center school, the AAP curriculum is distinct from the gen ed curriculum, focusing significantly on critical thinking as well as DBQs and primary sources, Socratic seminar, etc. Maybe your gen ed classes also do that but ours doesn't.

So for us, the answer is it's both the cohort and the curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

Impossible to get DCUM to agree on anything. Different people have different experiences, different educational philosophies, different family values, and different family situations.

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Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

This must be school specific, as my experience is very different. Sixth grade AAP is doing 8th/9th grade level algebra (as explained by the teacher). Gen ed is doing very basic 3-digit multiplication.

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Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

This must be school specific, as my experience is very different. Sixth grade AAP is doing 8th/9th grade level algebra (as explained by the teacher). Gen ed is doing very basic 3-digit multiplication.

Quoting myself because I made a mistake. Current 6th grade level pre-algebra is 7th/8th, in preparation for the kids who will take HS algebra in 7th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It really depends on your school. Our base school is an immersion school and only introduces advanced math in 6th grade. There is a chance the administration MIGHT drop that down to 5th. My DS is very strong in math, and we’re referring to AAP since he wouldn’t get the challenge he needs for a few more years without getting into Level IV and going to our assigned center.

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Anonymous wrote:It's definitely advanced math.

But I thought you can do the same advanced math without being in AAP?

I think you can now. When my now 9th grader and now 6th grader were deciding whether to go to the AAP center, you could not have that math at their local base until 5th grade.

We kept our child in his LI program because the language is challenging and we saw the benefit in learning in a different language. We also felt he would be better off socially at the base school. Our base school starts Advanced Math in 3rd but that is in-class differentiation. The class is divided into an Advanced Math class and a regular math class in 5th grade, allowing the Advanced Math kids to follow the same math curriculum used in LIV programs at Centers. The kids took the grade 6 SOL in fifth grade and are working on Pre-Algebra in sixth grade.

He will be enrolled in AAP classes in MS.