What is AAP really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

Maybe it is school specific. In my district, honors is just slightly more material. 7th grade adv math is learning pre-Alg. 7th grade AAP is leaving alg I/II combined in one year

What are you even talking about? AAP is the FCPS gifted program. It's not a generic name, it is for FCPS, the Fairfax County School District.

Advanced Math has a clearly defined progression. There's no class that is Algebra I and II.

AAP is not specifically for Fairfax there are academically advanced programs all over the US

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

Maybe it is school specific. In my district, honors is just slightly more material. 7th grade adv math is learning pre-Alg. 7th grade AAP is leaving alg I/II combined in one year

What are you even talking about? AAP is the FCPS gifted program. It's not a generic name, it is for FCPS, the Fairfax County School District.

Advanced Math has a clearly defined progression. There's no class that is Algebra I and II.

AAP is not specifically for Fairfax there are academically advanced programs all over the US

No, this forum is for the FCPS GT program called AAP. Sometimes people post here about TJ and sometimes about the Loudoun County GT programs, Futura and Spectrum (?), and their high school magnet program.

There are also school forums for Fairfax County schools, Virginia schools that are not Fairfax, MoCo schools, Maryland schools that are not MoCo, DC schools, and private schools in the DMV. This is DCUM, that's why the school forums are specifically about school districts in the DMV.

Maybe you should post in the general school forum?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

Maybe it is school specific. In my district, honors is just slightly more material. 7th grade adv math is learning pre-Alg. 7th grade AAP is leaving alg I/II combined in one year

What are you even talking about? AAP is the FCPS gifted program. It's not a generic name, it is for FCPS, the Fairfax County School District.

Advanced Math has a clearly defined progression. There's no class that is Algebra I and II.

AAP is not specifically for Fairfax there are academically advanced programs all over the US

No, this forum is for the FCPS GT program called AAP. Sometimes people post here about TJ and sometimes about the Loudoun County GT programs, Futura and Spectrum (?), and their high school magnet program.

There are also school forums for Fairfax County schools, Virginia schools that are not Fairfax, MoCo schools, Maryland schools that are not MoCo, DC schools, and private schools in the DMV. This is DCUM, that's why the school forums are specifically about school districts in the DMV.

Maybe you should post in the general school forum?

Is says in the description also for discussion on advanced academic programs “elsewhere”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

2. Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

3. DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

1 and 3 are both true.

No one says 2.

Eh, I think 2 is pretty true other than math. GenEd kids can take all
Honors in 7th . Almost none of my kids’ all-honors MS peers were aap kids, yet they’re all thriving. Honors classes aren’t exclusively for gifted students. And while I think aap standards have likely been watered down over the years, I can’t imagine that the intent was to block capable genEd kids from taking advanced classes when it starts to really count. Point being, I don’t think getting into AAP for ES is that critical unless your child is truly exceptional and truly needs a diff experience. The kids that are generally motivated and bright
(Not gifted) will all end up at the same exact place in 7th grade.

“Honors” math in gen Ed isn’t very advanced.

In elementary, gen ed advanced math follows the exact same pacing guide as AAP math. I had one kid in each at the same time, and there really wasn't any difference between the two. In middle school, the gen ed advanced math kids and AAP kids are in the exact same Algebra I honors or M7H classes.

Maybe it is school specific. In my district, honors is just slightly more material. 7th grade adv math is learning pre-Alg. 7th grade AAP is leaving alg I/II combined in one year

What are you even talking about? AAP is the FCPS gifted program. It's not a generic name, it is for FCPS, the Fairfax County School District.

Advanced Math has a clearly defined progression. There's no class that is Algebra I and II.

AAP is not specifically for Fairfax there are academically advanced programs all over the US

No, this forum is for the FCPS GT program called AAP. Sometimes people post here about TJ and sometimes about the Loudoun County GT programs, Futura and Spectrum (?), and their high school magnet program.

There are also school forums for Fairfax County schools, Virginia schools that are not Fairfax, MoCo schools, Maryland schools that are not MoCo, DC schools, and private schools in the DMV. This is DCUM, that's why the school forums are specifically about school districts in the DMV.

Maybe you should post in the general school forum?

No, it says on the forum that it's for AAP programs everywhere not just FCPS. You really need to read more carefully.

[Anonymous]

As a parent of an 11th grader, in hindsight, it seems like a program to accelerate math in 3rd and 4th grade so that Algebra can be taken in 7th or 8th. This allows a student to have Calculus and take some other AP classes that have an Algebra 2 prereq. All other subjects seemed to have slightly higher standards from 3rd to 6th grade, but then in MS, AAP and HNs are the same and by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever

thank goodness!

[Anonymous]

My sister taught AAP 4th grade at a school in Fairfax City several years ago. She would comment about “how easy” it was to teach as the parents did everything for her. She literally laughed at them. She is no longer a teacher (thankfully) but I feel bad for the fourth graders she had in her classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

Do you post this same thing every week? I swear you've posted this at least twice already. Get a life.

Why are you so prickly? Struck a nerve?

I'm not sure what nerve would have been struck by someone pointing out that you have posted this same thing multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares?

Michelle Reid and the all-democrat school board are in the process of dismantling AAP for “equity reasons.”

It will not be around much longer.

Can't wait until Wednesday when jokers like you stop posting here until the next election!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sister taught AAP 4th grade at a school in Fairfax City several years ago. She would comment about “how easy” it was to teach as the parents did everything for her. She literally laughed at them. She is no longer a teacher (thankfully) but I feel bad for the fourth graders she had in her classes.

I'm glad your sister no longer teaches AAP. My friend, who is currently an AAP teacher, has a ton of materials prepared to challenge even the most advanced students. However, it's the students at the bottom of the class who shouldn't have been admitted into AAP that hold back the rest of the class. And it's an impossible task to recommend them back to gen ed or young scholars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an 11th grader, in hindsight, it seems like a program to accelerate math in 3rd and 4th grade so that Algebra can be taken in 7th or 8th. This allows a student to have Calculus and take some other AP classes that have an Algebra 2 prereq. All other subjects seemed to have slightly higher standards from 3rd to 6th grade, but then in MS, AAP and HNs are the same and by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Compared to international standards, AAP math is gen ed, and fcps gen ed is considered remedial math. If they took out subjectivity out of AAP entrance criteria, most math oriented kids would easily learn the AAP math and progress towards completing calculus by high school, and be ready for college majors that need calculus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an 11th grader, in hindsight, it seems like a program to accelerate math in 3rd and 4th grade so that Algebra can be taken in 7th or 8th. This allows a student to have Calculus and take some other AP classes that have an Algebra 2 prereq. All other subjects seemed to have slightly higher standards from 3rd to 6th grade, but then in MS, AAP and HNs are the same and by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Compared to international standards, AAP math is gen ed, and fcps gen ed is considered remedial math. If they took out subjectivity out of AAP entrance criteria, most math oriented kids would easily learn the AAP math and progress towards completing calculus by high school, and be ready for college majors that need calculus.

Plenty of kids take calculus in high school, there's no shortage. But it's not for everyone - there are some people with blinders on who don't realize that not every child needs or should have acceleration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an 11th grader, in hindsight, it seems like a program to accelerate math in 3rd and 4th grade so that Algebra can be taken in 7th or 8th. This allows a student to have Calculus and take some other AP classes that have an Algebra 2 prereq. All other subjects seemed to have slightly higher standards from 3rd to 6th grade, but then in MS, AAP and HNs are the same and by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Compared to international standards, AAP math is gen ed, and fcps gen ed is considered remedial math. If they took out subjectivity out of AAP entrance criteria, most math oriented kids would easily learn the AAP math and progress towards completing calculus by high school, and be ready for college majors that need calculus.

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This is my concern about the equity push; it totally neglects the fact that the US is already not competitive internationally. Why dumb down education further? Not every student is cut out to be a scientist or an engineer. Not every career requires college. Maybe we should value other careers more and not try putting all kids in the same less ambitious courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent of an 11th grader, in hindsight, it seems like a program to accelerate math in 3rd and 4th grade so that Algebra can be taken in 7th or 8th. This allows a student to have Calculus and take some other AP classes that have an Algebra 2 prereq. All other subjects seemed to have slightly higher standards from 3rd to 6th grade, but then in MS, AAP and HNs are the same and by HS, it makes no difference whatsoever.

[b]Compared to international standards[/b], AAP math is gen ed, and fcps gen ed is considered remedial math. If they took out subjectivity out of AAP entrance criteria, most math oriented kids would easily learn the AAP math and progress towards completing calculus by high school, and be ready for college majors that need calculus.

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This is my concern about the equity push; it totally neglects the fact that the US is already not competitive internationally. Why dumb down education further? Not every student is cut out to be a scientist or an engineer. Not every career requires college. Maybe we should value other careers more and not try putting all kids in the same less ambitious courses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: AAP is segregation of rich and poor. AAP is not the path to equity so should be abolished.

Also DCUM: AAP is no different than gen ed. Your snowflake will be just fine in gen ed.

DCUM again: AAP is a refuge from disruptive kids and remedial schooling.

Which is it?

Do you post this same thing every week? I swear you've posted this at least twice already. Get a life.

Why are you so prickly? Struck a nerve?

I'm not sure what nerve would have been struck by someone pointing out that you have posted this same thing multiple times.

Actually I haven't. For the record, I'm hoping that my dc will get in AAP but sometimes I wonder what is really gained. Is it mostly academic or mostly peer group or something else. I don't agree with the AAP is segregation of rich vs poor take. My impression is that it is somewhat about academics but also very much an attempt to get away from behavioral issues in gen ed classes (which motivates me as well).