Overtime pay?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Cool, then they can deal with her silly entitlement while OP can go on to hire an actual professional.

You think there are plenty of "actual professional" nannies that want to work 15 hours a week in the afternoon plus random, non consistent extra hours?

It doesn’t sound like OP needs a “professional nanny” (whatever that means). She needs a semi competent teen/adult who is willing to hang out in her home with her elementary school aged kids for a couple of hours on average a day and maybe give them a snack in exchange for $30/hour. I’m confident she can find someone who fits the bill without blackmailing her for more money.

I never said she did. I was quoting the pp that said that OP should/could hire an "actual professional" (their exact words) if the current nanny quits.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

Agree 100%. my point is that $30/hr for a person with no degree or specialty qualifications is an extremely generous rate and OP shouldn’t give in to pressure by other posters (probably other child care providers trying to drive up prices) warning that she should give into this sitter’s ridiculous demands for fear that she’ll otherwise quit.

Ok, so OP should be clear that she expects the nanny to work extra, non contracted hours, at regular rate-even though the nanny has been clear that she wants time and a half for these hours. OP should not be surprised when nanny quits or declines the extra hours.

NP I don’t think you have any idea how retail and restaurants work, if you think it’s standard for untrained, uneducated workers to be able to demand set schedules that remain consistent week to week. You are actually the one in a bubble here. $30 per hour is more than generous.

I'd think OP values the care and safety of her children over her latte...but maybe not?

Oh, is that what’s at stake? The kids won’t be safe if this little nanny doesn’t get her time and a half?

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Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

Agree 100%. my point is that $30/hr for a person with no degree or specialty qualifications is an extremely generous rate and OP shouldn’t give in to pressure by other posters (probably other child care providers trying to drive up prices) warning that she should give into this sitter’s ridiculous demands for fear that she’ll otherwise quit.

Ok, so OP should be clear that she expects the nanny to work extra, non contracted hours, at regular rate-even though the nanny has been clear that she wants time and a half for these hours. OP should not be surprised when nanny quits or declines the extra hours.

NP I don’t think you have any idea how retail and restaurants work, if you think it’s standard for untrained, uneducated workers to be able to demand set schedules that remain consistent week to week. You are actually the one in a bubble here. $30 per hour is more than generous.

I'd think OP values the care and safety of her children over her latte...but maybe not?

Oh, is that what’s at stake? The kids won’t be safe if this little nanny doesn’t get her time and a half?

How would I know? Only OP knows if this is childcare that she NEEDS vs. just "nice to have." If OP has to work (out of the home) and her kids have to come home alone and stay home several hours alone, will they be safe? Maybe? I don't recall OP saying how old they are.

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Definitely let her know that paying OT for under full-tile care isn't standard. I've had part-time nannies for 10+ years and never did this.

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Any updates, OP?

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Anonymous wrote:If you agreed to 15 and she’s going out of her way to work extra then you should consider OT or renegotiate for more weekly hours.

She agreed to the terms of the job which is 15 guaranteed and being flexible to stay later on occasion. While I realize it’s difficult to have good pt help I am already paying $30/hr which is on the high end plus she very often has worked less than 15 hours/week and has been paid at least the minimum every time.

Unless you're not in dc area, $30 is average. However, you absolutely need to clarify that overtime is 40+.

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Overtime is more than 40 hours per week. She thinks it is additional hours above what you agreed to. It sounds like she misunderstood.

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If you hire someone for 20 hours and they work 25 hours, you might not consider paying OT for the extra five hours but you used her time. She considers it OT and if you want to keep her, pay her OT. Next time, discuss this upfront!

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Anonymous wrote:If you hire someone for 20 hours and they work 25 hours, you might not consider paying OT for the extra five hours but you used her time. She considers it OT and if you want to keep her, pay her OT. Next time, discuss this upfront!

Overtime pay for household employees is a statutorily defined concept. If the employee expects something other than the legal standard of 1.5 pay for over 40 hours of work (which is the definition of “overtime”) then she should have negotiated this ahead of time. Just because she considers it OT doesn’t make it so and I would say the burden is on the person trying to change the definition to discuss this up front.