Overtime pay?

[Anonymous]

Let us know how long it takes to find another sitter OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

This.
While you are correct, you need to consider how badly you need this part time employee. If you are totally fine with not having after school help at all, then go ahead and die on this hill.

OP is already paying $30/hr. She won’t find someone willing to pay that plus OT for 16 hours. Doubt this will drive her to quit. Nanny just doesn’t understand how OT works.

Not every family needs these "overtime" hours. Some families have a consistent enough schedule that they won't go over their guaranteed hours, ever.
Again, I understand that OP is correct that these extra hours don't count as "overtime"--but what is more important to OP? Is it more important to OP that she be "correct" or is it more important to OP that she have reliable childcare?
I guarantee you that the fact that the nanny even had to bring this up has already planted a seed in her mind that she might want to start looking for something different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok…. I paid it because I don’t feel like this is a conversation to have over text, but on Monday I will clarify and tell her that overtime is over 40 hours, we will pay time and a half if we reach that but that we had been paying her up to now $30/hr for all the hours and this isn’t the first time she worked more.

How much notice did you give her about these extra hours? Don't be surprised if she's unavailable for anything beyond the guaranteed hours from now on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok…. I paid it because I don’t feel like this is a conversation to have over text, but on Monday I will clarify and tell her that overtime is over 40 hours, we will pay time and a half if we reach that but that we had been paying her up to now $30/hr for all the hours and this isn’t the first time she worked more.

How much notice did you give her about these extra hours? Don't be surprised if she's unavailable for anything beyond the guaranteed hours from now on.

I gave her a months notice and part of the conversation from the beginning has been that there will be additional hours most weeks, but not consistently the same days. Some weeks I need an extra hour Monday and Thursday, so days Tuesday and Friday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

[Anonymous]

You are right and she is wrong.
However, if she is generally willing to be flexible with extra hours I would try and be flexible too. ( not including paying OT)

[Anonymous]

Given the rate you’re currently paying seems like it might be cheaper/easier to stick with Aupairs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that people who aren't paid living wages must not need money?

Maybe she's a college student with a scholarship that covers her dorm but she needs living expenses, and books.

Maybe she's married, and with that $450 and her spouse's minimum wage job she eeks out a living.

Maybe she's working 2 jobs.

Plenty of people in low paid positions need to be paid.

OP, she's wrong about the OT, unless that's the agreement you worked out. You and she probably need to sit down and work out expectations for extra hours more clearly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that people who aren't paid living wages must not need money?

Maybe she's a college student with a scholarship that covers her dorm but she needs living expenses, and books.

Maybe she's married, and with that $450 and her spouse's minimum wage job she eeks out a living.

Maybe she's working 2 jobs.

Plenty of people in low paid positions need to be paid.

OP, she's wrong about the OT, unless that's the agreement you worked out. You and she probably need to sit down and work out expectations for extra hours more clearly.

There are far more parents looking for childcare a few hours after school, than there are nannies looking to only work those hours. If any of the bolded above are this nanny's situation, she has options.

She's already expressed dissatisfaction with OP's pay, but probably thinks OP backed down and is willing to accommodate. When OP talks with her on Monday, she'll know that's not the case. I guess OP will find out if nanny is willing to deal with that, or if she'll pursue one of her (many) other options, and OP will need to hunt for a new nanny willing to work such few hours. If OP doesn't actually need childcare, it was just a "nice to have" then it shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

Agree 100%. my point is that $30/hr for a person with no degree or specialty qualifications is an extremely generous rate and OP shouldn’t give in to pressure by other posters (probably other child care providers trying to drive up prices) warning that she should give into this sitter’s ridiculous demands for fear that she’ll otherwise quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

Agree 100%. my point is that $30/hr for a person with no degree or specialty qualifications is an extremely generous rate and OP shouldn’t give in to pressure by other posters (probably other child care providers trying to drive up prices) warning that she should give into this sitter’s ridiculous demands for fear that she’ll otherwise quit.

Ok, so OP should be clear that she expects the nanny to work extra, non contracted hours, at regular rate-even though the nanny has been clear that she wants time and a half for these hours. OP should not be surprised when nanny quits or declines the extra hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Unless this woman is Mary Poppins I find it unlikely that there will be loads of people clamoring to pay 30-45/ hour for a babysitter with a healthy dose of entitlement and flawed sense of logic.

The way OP's contract is now, nanny is only guaranteed 15 hours per week at $30-so $450/week. Obviously that is not enough to live on, so Nanny doesn't NEED this money. Maybe she's a college student or has a wealthy spouse or...who knows what...but she's not going to put up with what she perceives to be unfair treatment (regardless of whether or not that's correct, it's what she perceives) for $450/week.

Assuming she is a college student or similar I wish her luck in finding a part time job that accommodates her school hours and pays more than $30/ hour (likely tax free) without a degree or any specialized credentials.

But that's not OP's problem. OP (presumably) needs reliable childcare. If nanny feels disrespected and quits, it's none of OP's concern whether or not she ever works again.

Agree 100%. my point is that $30/hr for a person with no degree or specialty qualifications is an extremely generous rate and OP shouldn’t give in to pressure by other posters (probably other child care providers trying to drive up prices) warning that she should give into this sitter’s ridiculous demands for fear that she’ll otherwise quit.

Ok, so OP should be clear that she expects the nanny to work extra, non contracted hours, at regular rate-even though the nanny has been clear that she wants time and a half for these hours. OP should not be surprised when nanny quits or declines the extra hours.

Yes and Nanny shouldn’t be surprised when she is unable to find another gravy train and ends up working at a fast food joint for half the pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone else will snatch her up quickly after she quits.

Cool, then they can deal with her silly entitlement while OP can go on to hire an actual professional.