Ramaswamy proposes mass federal employee layoffs

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.

The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.

Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.

Give me a break. They’re not coasting, they’re drowning. Morale is incredibly low, employees don’t have the support or tools they need to be “successful” nor is that “success” even clearly defined by management at most agencies and certainly not at the very top. Think about what it’s like working at the lower levels of the biggest corporation you know, then multiply that feeling by a million and cut the budget in half. Most private sector employees wouldn’t be able to stand it. They’d faint at the suggestion that they need to buy their own coffee, ffs.

This whole song and dance is very tiresome.

I know-- I was thinking of the poster who complained that his company wouldn't pay for a goodbye party for someone. Meanwhile my agency refused to pay for paper I use to WFH.

We pay for our own drinking water.

I remember the absolute shock when I came from the private sector to working as a Fed. We had to oh for our own water too, AND our offices were rodent infested. There’s not even coffee provided by the office. Even the annual party has to be paid for by the employees. It was like $32 for a paper plate with food from Boston Market.

Do we work at the same place?

That makes three of us…

It was never Boston Market though. More like sketchy Chinese food from around the corner. I actually don’t think government should pay for those kinds of things, but I do think employees and managers deserve flexibility, empathy, and respect. For goodness sake, just look at what things are like when the government shuts down and then get back to me about how federal employees don’t do anything.

Managers tolerate a certain level of “waste” in any large organization because we realize things need to be stable. I’m so tired of people trying to fix government by starving it. Just give people something good to do, the money to do it, and they’ll do it. You’d be surprised at how effective federal employees are when they have real leadership. This insistence on micromanagement is driving good leaders away.

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Anonymous wrote:He's never going to get out of the single digits, so what difference does it make? He has zero chance of even winning the primary, let alone the actual election.

This is the same talking point as Paul Dans for his 2025 plan or whatever out of the Heritage Foundation. It's a plan that begins immediately if Trump is elected.

They will immediately remove feds in any kind of policy making capacity, as they feel they are partisan, and replace them with their own partisan folks they round up at town halls.

Remember how we brushed it off last time....

This. It will be back to the spoils system. And they almost were able to do it last time. The effect will be a bunch of bottom of the barrel grifters informing “policy” decisions to benefit the “public” (as in, political donors).

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.

The workers themselves make it easy. Read some DCUM boards about federal government RTO, salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, actual working hours, etc.

Of course, there are some federal workers that work hard and make the system work. But, there are a lot of coasters in the system and a lot more than in private industry.

See, you've got it backwards. Instead of hating the fact that feds get decent salaries, pensions, vacation time, job security, etc., you should want that for ALL employees, everywhere. Everyone should have decent salaries. My cousin-in-law's wife just had a baby, and he gets zero paid leave, so he never took any time off. And he's a lawyer in a law firm (in AZ, not in the DMV).

The other, bigger reason this wouldn't work is that most federal employees are not in the DMV, and Congress doesn't want to piss off that many of their own constituents by letting them get fired so easily.

I read the article in the OP's post. He wants to get rid of the FBI. Looks like we've found a Republican who believes in defunding the police.

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It's not just Ramaswamy, DeSantis has stated he wants a 50% reduction in the Federal workforce.

I'm a Fed and I'm not entirely opposed to a reduction, we have a lot of worthless positions. Not necessarily the people in them (although...) but just too many positions and redudancy. Bush 43 came in and cut FTEs to on-board levels, all vacancies were wiped out in several agencies. We managed to survive.

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It makes me so mad the hatred of feds (and, no, I’m not on the clock right now - I’m taking sick leave and waiting at the dentist’s office). I’ve been shocked in my years in give by the dedication and commitment and competence of most of the federal employees I work with. There are a few here and there that are dedicated but not particularly sharp and there are slackers here and there but I’m sure that’s true of any large organization,

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Anonymous wrote:Empty vessels make the most noise.

Is intelligence bigger or a water buffalo?

Idiot thinks he is an American "Modi", but he just an American "Pappu"! Even intelligent Indian-Americans become "gobar" once they join GOP!

Pa Dam Dishoom, Bloody!!

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just Ramaswamy, DeSantis has stated he wants a 50% reduction in the Federal workforce.

I'm a Fed and I'm not entirely opposed to a reduction, we have a lot of worthless positions. Not necessarily the people in them (although...) but just too many positions and redudancy. Bush 43 came in and cut FTEs to on-board levels, all vacancies were wiped out in several agencies. We managed to survive.

You see worthless positions, I see untapped potential. There is a lot of mismanagement of government’s best assists—the employees—who don’t get the leadership they deserve. It’s 2023 and there are tons of vacant appointments not filled! Forgive feds for twiddling their thumbs at times. The rot starts at the top, I really wish people would stop punching down.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just Ramaswamy, DeSantis has stated he wants a 50% reduction in the Federal workforce.

I'm a Fed and I'm not entirely opposed to a reduction, we have a lot of worthless positions. Not necessarily the people in them (although...) but just too many positions and redudancy. Bush 43 came in and cut FTEs to on-board levels, all vacancies were wiped out in several agencies. We managed to survive.

Thats like saying we didn't have seatbelts as kids, but you lived so nbd. How many good services and programs might be available to the public now if he hadn't cut those positions?

I work in a safety field, so I have pretty strong opinions on redundancy and points of failure. If we expect government to be available in a crisis, prepared for all kinds of things, innovating, accountable and transparent, etc. - yes there has to be redundancy. Saying there are too many positions (compared to what?) is just empty talking points without some discussion of what services government should provide.

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta keep working up the hatred of the Federal workforce.

Hatred is accurate. It’s disgusting.

What's disgusting about the Federal workforce? You'd prefer not to have safe drugs? Get rid of Medicare? Abandon Veterans' health care? Let banks do whatever they want? Get rid of any oversight of nuclear power?

The hatred is disgusting.

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Oh they'll reconsider once they have trouble getting social security and it's even hard to file taxes!

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^^ harder

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just Ramaswamy, DeSantis has stated he wants a 50% reduction in the Federal workforce.

I'm a Fed and I'm not entirely opposed to a reduction, we have a lot of worthless positions. Not necessarily the people in them (although...) but just too many positions and redudancy. Bush 43 came in and cut FTEs to on-board levels, all vacancies were wiped out in several agencies. We managed to survive.

Did that cut happen before or after 9/11 and when he created DHS and started a couple of wars. I don’t recall Bush shrinking government much in the end.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just Ramaswamy, DeSantis has stated he wants a 50% reduction in the Federal workforce.

I'm a Fed and I'm not entirely opposed to a reduction, we have a lot of worthless positions. Not necessarily the people in them (although...) but just too many positions and redudancy. Bush 43 came in and cut FTEs to on-board levels, all vacancies were wiped out in several agencies. We managed to survive.

By hiring contractors (I was one of them )

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The gubment and its workers are very efficient.

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Politics aside, Ramaswamy is just so insufferable.

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Anonymous wrote:Politics aside, Ramaswamy is just so insufferable.

Right. There's a lot to worry about but this guy is just a boob.