US credit worthiness downgraded yet again

Anonymous
So funny to read these comments from the Fox News/MSNBC viewing crowd that have been duped into thinking everything wrong with this country is the fault of the evil other side. Our Federal Government has been in decline for decades as a result of being run by two failing political parties. It is what it is. Take the goggles of political bias and off and see the truth for what it is.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Bidenomics.

Spend money you don't have, promise people things you can't provide, flood the country with cheap, unskilled labor, then sit back as things implode.


We could easily increase taxes on capital gains, remove the cap on social security and slightly increase income taxes overall, and reduce our military budget to something sane and we'd never have a funding problem again.


You're only 1/3rd right.

Cut spending on social security and Medicare/Medicaid too. Those eat up over half of all tax revenue right off the top.

Of course for Democrats, it's almost always a tax problem, it's never a spending problem, except for military. Cuts across the board please. Nothing is safe, including SNAP benefits, housing programs, education, food stamps, and all other social programs.

You can't tax your way out of spending addictions.



Our tax burden especially on corporations and the wealthiest is one of the lowest in the last 100 years. There is plenty of room to increase. And guess what? Gen Y is ready to do that.


Bull S.

The amount of taxes we pay as a % of total GDP has remained remarkably consistent for nearly 50+ years:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GC.TAX.TOTL.GD.ZS?locations=US

So how does the US ring up such massive deficits if the amount of taxes the overall country pays basically has remained the same for 50 years, give or take a minor few percent?

THAT MEANS WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM.

But go ahead and keep increasing taxes. You'll turn the country into a sh!tty European country like the UK or the PIGS where economic growth will be anemic, wages and salaries stagnate, and there will be a slow, long-term drag downward for quality of life.

Democrats......always trying to tax their way out of problems..it's never a spending problem. Yeah, how about you try to earn your way out of a credit card spending problem and see how well that goes for you without fixing your shopping addictions.


England's economy is tanking because they left the EU under Brexit. Pretty simple.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So funny to read these comments from the Fox News/MSNBC viewing crowd that have been duped into thinking everything wrong with this country is the fault of the evil other side. Our Federal Government has been in decline for decades as a result of being run by two failing political parties. It is what it is. Take the goggles of political bias and off and see the truth for what it is.


NP... How about reading the ACTUAL WORDING from Fitch's statement

Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process. These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population.


"Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process."

That's all on Republicans and their intransigence, and holding the government hostage

Continuing,

"These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population."

Tax cuts - all Republican. New spending initiatives - both Democrat and Republican. Limited progress on tackling social security and medicare - also due to Republican intransigence, unless you think screwing over the elderly and the disabled and being the only modern industrialized nation to do so is somehow a good thing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.
Anonymous
Pathetic rating agencies. Should have reduced the rating further.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you saying that Republican brinkmanship is not the cause? That it's harmless?

Hmm.

Fitch: It’s the Republicans


Again, not "Librul spending"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.


Nah, not investing in the people of the country and the technologies to address climate change are worse than insolvency. Being insolvent as a country is insignificant to not having a habitable planet.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.


Nah, not investing in the people of the country and the technologies to address climate change are worse than insolvency. Being insolvent as a country is insignificant to not having a habitable planet.


Ha, ok. Try solving any problems when your Argentina.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.


We're not even remotely insolvent. But what the Republicans have done for the last several decades is create this fake Kabuki show to rile their base and convince them that we are somehow insolvent. They gave massive tax cuts to the richest and big corporations, while shifting more burden onto the middle class and small business. They refused to fix medicare and social security, by doing things like not going after the rampant greed and gouging in pharma and healthcare, refusing any meaningful reforms, undermining the availability and reliability of medicare, maintaining caps on social security contribution to guarantee it goes underfunded, and so on. They have been pushing Grover Norquist's toxic ideology of "taxes = theft" and keep pushing the lie that we're insolvent and "can't afford" anything and that somehow fixing anything or helping anyone is "communism" and "destroying America." And meanwhile, our infrastructure, our standard of healthcare, education system and so many other things decline. Compare that to other countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden which are enjoying a higher standard of living than we are. Why? Because they pay for the things they need, and tax appropriately. Their tax-per-gdp rate is higher than the US. And, as a result, they have what they want and need, but ALSO have some of the lowest national debt in the modern developed world.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So funny to read these comments from the Fox News/MSNBC viewing crowd that have been duped into thinking everything wrong with this country is the fault of the evil other side. Our Federal Government has been in decline for decades as a result of being run by two failing political parties. It is what it is. Take the goggles of political bias and off and see the truth for what it is.


NP... How about reading the ACTUAL WORDING from Fitch's statement

Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process. These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population.


"Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process."

That's all on Republicans and their intransigence, and holding the government hostage

Continuing,

"These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population."

Tax cuts - all Republican. New spending initiatives - both Democrat and Republican. Limited progress on tackling social security and medicare - also due to Republican intransigence, unless you think screwing over the elderly and the disabled and being the only modern industrialized nation to do so is somehow a good thing.


In other words, those of Liz Cheney, “We’re electing idiots!”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.


Nah, not investing in the people of the country and the technologies to address climate change are worse than insolvency. Being insolvent as a country is insignificant to not having a habitable planet.


Ha, ok. Try solving any problems when your Argentina.


If all but the peaks of the Andes are under water, it won't matter.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So funny to read these comments from the Fox News/MSNBC viewing crowd that have been duped into thinking everything wrong with this country is the fault of the evil other side. Our Federal Government has been in decline for decades as a result of being run by two failing political parties. It is what it is. Take the goggles of political bias and off and see the truth for what it is.


NP... How about reading the ACTUAL WORDING from Fitch's statement

Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process. These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population.


"Erosion of Governance: In Fitch's view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025. The repeated debt-limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management. In addition, the government lacks a medium-term fiscal framework, unlike most peers, and has a complex budgeting process."

That's all on Republicans and their intransigence, and holding the government hostage

Continuing,

"These factors, along with several economic shocks as well as tax cuts and new spending initiatives, have contributed to successive debt increases over the last decade. Additionally, there has been only limited progress in tackling medium-term challenges related to rising social security and Medicare costs due to an aging population."

Tax cuts - all Republican. New spending initiatives - both Democrat and Republican. Limited progress on tackling social security and medicare - also due to Republican intransigence, unless you think screwing over the elderly and the disabled and being the only modern industrialized nation to do so is somehow a good thing.


In other words, those of Liz Cheney, “We’re electing idiots!”

I wouldn't characterize them all as idiots but the quality of people being put in front of us by the R and D parties certainly isn't what it used to be. Yet the knucklehead wing nuts will continue to assume all problems are caused by the other side.
Anonymous
So revealing how Democrats are shoving solar 24/7. Yet 80% of our solar panels are imported from China.

What environmental regulations does China practice? Zero. So the the fake solution is actually making the problem a gazillion times worse. Anyone who cares, wants to get the heck out of Communist China.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But keep in proposing trillions in free student loan forgiveness, cash handouts, green initiatives, free healthcare, free housing, free childcare, free this, free that.

Democrats are delusional. Keep on blowing up the govt credit card. No one ever has to pay for all of this 'free' S#@*, right?

Free, free, free...everyone deserves something free from Uncle Sam these days because they simply exist and breathe air.

Terrible:

https://www.barrons.com/news/fitch-downgrades-us-credit-rating-after-debt-limit-standoffs-782ab003




Oh, like farm and fossil fuel subsidies supported by Republicans or out of control defense spending? How come people like you never bring that up? Or tax cuts to billionaires and multinationals? Huh, pal?


Oh right, couldn't be Biden's $6T spending plans:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/us/politics/biden-spending-plans.html

It's laughable you probably simultaneously drink idiot Kool Aid from clown shows like AOC who has $30T spending plans for green initiatives in the works with no bat of the eye.

Keep.on bankrupting country. Let's see how well your green initiatives and student loan forgiveness work when the country is insolvent.


In case you hadn't noticed, our planet is on the precipice of an irreversible shift in our climate. Not investing in things that get us away from carbon waste will change where we live as a species, what we eat as a species and what species survive. If you think Gulf of Mexico waters at 100 degrees is acceptable and without impact on hurricane intensity hitting Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama and Missisippi, just as one example, then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we should just end FEMA and let the gulf states fend for themselves after each weather event.



Nice speech.

Now try solving these problems when your country is insolvent.

You know what causes a lot more human misery and suffering than long term climate change? When a country defaults.


Nah, not investing in the people of the country and the technologies to address climate change are worse than insolvency. Being insolvent as a country is insignificant to not having a habitable planet.


Ha, ok. Try solving any problems when your Argentina.


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