Reducing 11s

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Anonymous wrote:Botox. Don’t even think about it. You will not regret it. It’s not that expensive. Just do the 11’s and brow area do not let them talk you into doing additional areas (eyes, chin blah blah). I do minimal units (20) and the affect is significant.

Leave it to DCUM to say $300 four times a year isn't that expensive!

This is not a lot of money, sorry to tell you. Heck, that's what a good cut and color costs you! We're not talking about a 30 something woman here with small children, at the start of her career or staying at home. This is a woman entering, or in her peak earning years. Frownies are not going to move the dial on anyone over 40, I do wish people would stop pushing that nonsense. Same goes with "face yoga"

Okay, I'm multiple posting here but I have to address this cost issue. I don't drink. I guarantee you that if the average woman in her late forties added up how much she spends on alcohol at home and at restaurants, it will easily be over $1200/year. My philosophy is don't spend the money on skin-damaging alcohol. Spend it on the botox. You'll be better off all around.

This is exactly how I justify memberships at Orangetheory, Pure Barre and a traditional gym. All said it adds up to about $400 a month. That is definitely what many people spend on alcohol in a month and it betters my health. So I support this thinking for Botox too.

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Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.

Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.

Nonsense. She has a national reputation.

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It does not look natural.

People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.

And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.

You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?

Yeah, you can believe what you want.

Last week, my newest SIL found out I was going to be 50 soon and she was genuinely shocked. She was saying in front of everyone "I had no idea...I thought you were about 38 to 40. I just had no idea..." The estate lawyer we recently met with accused me of lying. Not professional but he was so surprised he forgot himself for a moment.

I get similar reactions all the time. Don't drink, don't smoke, put on the sunscreen, Retin-A, and get Botox. That's it. I did add fillers last year, for my lips and to fix a little dent in my nose.

If you use Botox, of course you look younger. Duh.

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Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.

Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.

Nonsense. She has a national reputation.

NP.

It does not look natural.

People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.

And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.

You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?

Yeah, you can believe what you want.

Last week, my newest SIL found out I was going to be 50 soon and she was genuinely shocked. She was saying in front of everyone "I had no idea...I thought you were about 38 to 40. I just had no idea..." The estate lawyer we recently met with accused me of lying. Not professional but he was so surprised he forgot himself for a moment.

I get similar reactions all the time. Don't drink, don't smoke, put on the sunscreen, Retin-A, and get Botox. That's it. I did add fillers last year, for my lips and to fix a little dent in my nose.

If you use Botox, of course you look younger. Duh.

Yeah, it makes you look younger, not necessarily weird. Way to miss the point of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.

Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.

Nonsense. She has a national reputation.

NP.

It does not look natural.

People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.

And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.

You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?

Because people way overdo it, and end up looking strange. Not younger and definitely not natural.

The key is to recognize when injectabls aren't going to cut it. They're great and look natural with a light touch in your 30s and into 40s when they're largely preventative, but at a certain point pumping more and more into your face is kind of asking them to do too much and will give that weird look. It would be better to avoid getting to that point and go for surgery (eyes/facelift) for a more natural look but, for whatever reason, cost/fear of surgery/dysmorphia after years of fillers and botox a lot of people don't recognize that point, keep doing what they're doing, and it looks bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.

Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.

Nonsense. She has a national reputation.

NP.

It does not look natural.

People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.

And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.

You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?

Yeah, you can believe what you want.

Last week, my newest SIL found out I was going to be 50 soon and she was genuinely shocked. She was saying in front of everyone "I had no idea...I thought you were about 38 to 40. I just had no idea..." The estate lawyer we recently met with accused me of lying. Not professional but he was so surprised he forgot himself for a moment.

I get similar reactions all the time. Don't drink, don't smoke, put on the sunscreen, Retin-A, and get Botox. That's it. I did add fillers last year, for my lips and to fix a little dent in my nose.

If you use Botox, of course you look younger. Duh.

Yeah, it makes you look younger, not necessarily weird. Way to miss the point of the thread.

One thing about this forum is they don’t understand the difference between toxins and fillers. Any Botox/Juveau/Dysport/Xeomin toxin will freeze certain muscles temporarily. FILLER is what creates the puffy unnatural look most people are referencing when they claim they can “see the work.” Toxins =/= filler.

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Another vote for just do it, you won’t regret it.

Similar to another PP, my routine is retinol, don’t drink much, don’t smoke, sunscreen every day, lots of exercise and weights, and 2-3x year, 24 units of Botox.

I don’t know how I look to others, but I’m 42 and *I* love how I look. I’ve been doing this routine for 15 years, the Botox for about 8. You won’t regret it. Start small and see how it goes. Lots of us only need a little.

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Anonymous wrote:You could try frownies. I am a side sleeper which makes my 11s look worse in the morning, but the lines have disappeared since I started wearing frownies at night.

Best option and shockingly effective. The tech is beyond basic. You can probably make DIY frownies at home.

Yep. It's shocking how well they work and how quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do yourself a favor. Go to Elizabeth Tanzi. She is a literal miracle worker. Her Botox is so conservative and so natural and so effective.

Except in her own photos it does not look natural and conservative, but hard and obvious. No thanks.

Nonsense. She has a national reputation.

NP.

It does not look natural.

People who are into this sort of thing often seem to develop a skewed sense of what normal, natural, healthy aging looks like. This is not it.

And over time, the “light touch” is not enough. It becomes more and more and more. I’ve seen it firsthand with my older siblings. Even my mother, who does not get work done but lives near them, accepts it as “natural looking” because she’s seen it slowly morph over time. I didn’t see them for 3 years (back when they truly did get light Botox) and, holy sh!t. Their work is completely unnatural.

You just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure they look great. The science is there, why not use it?

Yeah, you can believe what you want.

Last week, my newest SIL found out I was going to be 50 soon and she was genuinely shocked. She was saying in front of everyone "I had no idea...I thought you were about 38 to 40. I just had no idea..." The estate lawyer we recently met with accused me of lying. Not professional but he was so surprised he forgot himself for a moment.

I get similar reactions all the time. Don't drink, don't smoke, put on the sunscreen, Retin-A, and get Botox. That's it. I did add fillers last year, for my lips and to fix a little dent in my nose.

I tell every woman who clearly needs to hear it that she looks younger than her age. I think of it as community service. The vast majority of women look their age. And if they do somehow appear younger, it's more likely to be because of melanin than toxins.