APS Engage Update Pre-CIP Report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

People in the Montessori middle school program who choose to be bused already.

We don't have a problem across all middle schools. We have a problem with just two schools, Gunston & Williamsburg. They are moving immersion to Kenmore which helps remove kids from Gunston (and SB member Priddy asked staff in the meeting last night that I watched if they could see what the middle school numbers would look like if they only did that move, which i thought was a good question bc none of the document showed that impact alone).

Moving the other option program out of Gunston would help remove more kids from overcrowding, and sending it to Williamsburg could help add more kids there, and they are already okay being bused bc it's option anyway. We at least deserve to see the numbers on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

^Rosslyn students would be bussed to any middle school. So it shouldn’t be too hard for APS staff to draw a contiguous boundary with Rosslyn to create a Williamsburg MS zone for Innovation ES. It doesn’t have to be an “island” boundary like before if APS staff finds that unacceptable. If APS gave any thought to both walkability and socio-economic diversity, such a scenario would be a no-brainer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

[Anonymous]

I can’t imagine they are actually going to close Nottingham. Once the wealthy Nottingham parents start fussing about it (and they already are), the school board will back down for sure. You don’t mess with the rich, white elementary schools in Arlington, do you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

Because the Taylor families complained having about a Rosslyn middle school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

Hamm is near Rosslyn! And yes they did complain about Williamsburg.

What I can’t stand is the self-serving logic that comes out in these conversations. Throwing any talking point at the wall which means my kid doesn’t have to…

Just say what it is. I don’t want to be personally disrupted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t imagine they are actually going to close Nottingham. Once the wealthy Nottingham parents start fussing about it (and they already are), the school board will back down for sure. You don’t mess with the rich, white elementary schools in Arlington, do you?

I guess you missed when they closed McKinley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

Because the Taylor families complained having about a Rosslyn middle school.

There’s no sense in dredging up the past. A number of factors came into play which the school board voted on. We have to work with the schools we have now.

The families at the affordable Woodbury Park apartments near the Clarendon Whole Foods did publicly complain about the boundary island and being bussed to Williamsburg and Yorktown instead of Hamm and W-L. Unfortunately they ended up being bussed to TJ instead of Hamm, while still going to Yorktown. So Woodbury Park kids are now more isolated than ever. They should probably be zoned to Hamm and W-L with the Science Focus families, while the Innovation neighborhoods in Rosslyn and Lyon Village should be zoned to Williamsburg and Yorktown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

Hamm is near Rosslyn! And yes they did complain about Williamsburg.

What I can’t stand is the self-serving logic that comes out in these conversations. Throwing any talking point at the wall which means my kid doesn’t have to…

Just say what it is. I don’t want to be personally disrupted.

+1

It is just selfish to say that it is okay for others to endure the burden. Even more appalled by the underlying self-serving assumption that it is a logical thing to do.

[Anonymous]

All of the proposed plans have Rosslyn being bused back to Williamsburg, both the map that moves immersion and the map that leaves it at Gunston. Rosslyn is moving either way, according to this APS plan.

[Anonymous]

I’m trying to pull up a map of the planning units and keep getting “page not found.” Does anyone have one they can link? I know what our number is but need to see the shape of it so I can recognize it on the boundary map.

[Anonymous]

The planning unit right on top of Hamm, they will move you back to Hamm. That will be APS listening. This is what they did with Cardinal. They put things in the first draft map they know everyone is going to scream and yell about (and the NArl people who are fixated on walking yell the loudest… they know that too) and they also know they are prepared to adjust some things and in the end they will have made chnages based on public feedback rather than issuing a map and appearing to not listen to the community.

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Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Restore the “Rosslyn Island.” The Rosslyn students in high density housing were zoned to Williamsburg up until 2019 or so when the boundaries last changed. No one except APS staff complained about it since it looked “weird.”

It contributed to socio-economic diversity and also helped fill the school since Williamsburg is in an area of low density single family homes.

Rosslyn families complained. But I guess they shouldn’t have a voice.

Rosslyn students would either be bussed to Williamsburg or Hamm. I think homes a block away from Hamm within view of the school itself should be zoned to Hamm over bussing neighborhoods from Rosslyn.

Of course Rosslyn families should have a voice. But their options are limited since there are no middle schools near Rosslyn.

Hamm is near Rosslyn! And yes they did complain about Williamsburg.

What I can’t stand is the self-serving logic that comes out in these conversations. Throwing any talking point at the wall which means my kid doesn’t have to…

Just say what it is. I don’t want to be personally disrupted.

Of course no wants to be personally disrupted. The neighborhoods with affordable apartments along the west end of Columbia Pike successfully lobbied the school board to keep their neighborhood bussed to W-L instead of being rezoned as a walking neighborhood to Wakefield. They succeeded, so other W-L neighborhoods much closer to W-L moved to Yorktown. The Ashlawn families are still miffed about being rezoned to Yorktown.

The families in the Woodbury Park apartments are likely still miffed about being zoned to TJ and Yorktown instead of Hamm and W-L.

There’s always give and take, and compromise. It’s a balancing act. Rosslyn is also closer to W-L yet they are bussed to Yorktown. If they remain bussed to Yorktown it only makes sense to consider re zoning Rosslyn and perhaps part of Lyon Village back to Williamsburg as an option. Such an option may keep families a block from Hamm in the Hamm zone. Otherwise maybe Rosslyn should just go to Hamm and W-L, the closer schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the proposed plans have Rosslyn being bused back to Williamsburg, both the map that moves immersion and the map that leaves it at Gunston. Rosslyn is moving either way, according to this APS plan.

Not true. Not sure what you looked at but Rosslyn is not impacted. All will stay within the Hamm zone per the proposed maps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the Hamm people complaining, what is your proposal to fill Williamsburg then? Who should get bused over there? Not your children. We’ve got that.

Question: why is APS so bad at calculating seats/future needs? Are less families moving to WMS/DHMS? Is this driven in part by the exodus of North Arlington families to private school? Does APS track or publish that information?