SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Thanks for not voting for HRC in 2016 when you knew SCOTUS was on the line, idiots.

I was thinking the same thing!

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

That still using race.

Lawsuits will fly.

But that is much harder to prove. They are allowed to aim for geographical diversity, so using zip codes should be fine. How can you prove that because I mentioned race in my personal essay that that is why I was admitted? It’s a harder criteria to prove.

Great way to encourage gentrification!

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

That still using race.

Lawsuits will fly.

But that is much harder to prove. They are allowed to aim for geographical diversity, so using zip codes should be fine. How can you prove that because I mentioned race in my personal essay that that is why I was admitted? It’s a harder criteria to prove.

I imagine if you could prove that looking at test scores or some other "objective" measure that there was preferential treatment or discrimination against those of a certain race, then it wouldn't matter what criteria they used, it would be considered discrimination. Using "holistic" evaluations are always a fig leaf for being able to subjectively decide whatever you want, as you may know. I wonder if there will be some kind of "blue sky" like test or process that they will have to disclose to make clear that they are not systematically discriminating using race in the admissions process because I imagine this is going to create potentially significant liabilities for these universities.

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I'm one of those Democrats who is happy to see this ruling. I'd rather see affirmative action on the basis of socioeconomic status rather than race. It would probably get you to the same conclusion rather than giving preferential treatment to UMC and UC POCs.

It doesn't get you there. California has already proven that. As a black woman, I am devasted. How do you eliminate affirmative action when merit is not real. You have many black and latino students graduated from substandard schools and white kids going to high school with golf courses. SAT scores are based on income, not intelligence.

We haven't even come to terms with race in this country.

No, and we probably never will. Sorry, people are too concerned about their own and their kids' futures to willingly give up their own standing in this "dog-eat-dog" of a country. We kind of tried to help for a while. But rising inequality and the costs of securing a decent future since the 1980s in this meritocratic society has made us much less trusting, much more polarized and with fewer safety nets to fall back on. It's every person for himself even if we're starting from radically different starting points.

BS.

My kids in another era, would have been shoe-ins for an Ivy League school. Neither were accepted in their ED's and both ended up at otherwise outstanding schools and are/were very happy with the college educations and experiences. None of us in our family have ANY issues with racial preferences that worked against our kids because we understand the system racism and historic racism that has divided our country and are happy that kids who would not have been given a shot 100 years ago are being given one today.

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I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

That still using race.

Lawsuits will fly.

But that is much harder to prove. They are allowed to aim for geographical diversity, so using zip codes should be fine. How can you prove that because I mentioned race in my personal essay that that is why I was admitted? It’s a harder criteria to prove.

Exactly. And don’t pretend worse stuff doesn’t happen all the time. Look at the many studies that show Black people don’t get hired at crazy rates when showing up face to face for an interview yet alone not getting called for an interview due to the name or HBCU on their resume. Very hard to prove racism on that level. Impossible to sue for it. An essay and recommendation letter reading and scoring is subjective.

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Then don't apply to those schools. Do you really think Donlad Trump, Jared Kushner or GWBush were the best and brightest who deserved an Ivy League education?

Get over yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think this a blow to diversity on college campuses, but I also think schools will get creative with how they keep said diversity. Pay attention to student zip codes who apply, the racial make up of the HS they attend, read the essays for clues as to the students race/ethnicity, etc.

I hope so. I feel like our society is back-sliding and reinforcing systemic racism, all because Asian kids don’t get their school of choice that they feel deeply entitled to. It’s disturbing

Thank you - as a well educated African American woman, this is a bitter pill to swallow. My kids will be fine but as a long time local prosecutor, man have I met some smart kids who due to circumstances, will never ever have the grades and test scores to meet some college admission criteria. However, these same kids would do well in the right circumstances on a college campus if given the opportunity. Many of these Asian families have no shortage of money for tutoring and other enrichment classes and can get into MANY colleges - not just the one they want, while the kids I have described will not get into any.

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Thanks for not voting for HRC in 2016 when you knew SCOTUS was on the line, idiots.

The Supreme Court is the reason millions of voters pulled the lever for Trump.

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IN MY eyes and God eys we are all the same color. why are we going to give someone more points because of their skin color?

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It is not the worst thing to give preferences by income. Give low income students a leg up. It is imperfect for sure but race based affirmative action is imperfect as well

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Anonymous wrote:These universities will just adjust there admissions criteria to eliminate the things that preference rich white, Asian, Latino applicants. They already eliminated standardized tests. They want a diverse class and they will figure out a way to get it.

Translation: they will water down criteria and let in a whole bunch of unqualified people who’ll fail out OR they’ll have to make curricula easier, bringing the education standards down for everyone. What a brilliant plan. We can all be equal when we are all equally mediocre to crappy.

Oh well. If you don't want to attend a university that values diversity...choose a university that does not value diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:IN MY eyes and God eys we are all the same color. why are we going to give someone more points because of their skin color?

Why did we enslave people because of their skin color? Why do we discriminate against people because of their skin color?

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Anonymous wrote:Yay! Thanks for not voting for HRC in 2016 when you knew SCOTUS was on the line, idiots.

The Supreme Court is the reason millions of voters pulled the lever for Trump.

Well those voters are not going to win another national election for a long time.