Is Trump a Traitor?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that Trump levied an army on Jan 6, and went to war against the US government at the Capitol, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

If you believe that he gave aid and comfort (in the form of national defense information) to Russia and/or North Korea, and that these nations are enemies of the US, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

I think these two actions of his could be construed as traitorous acts, but I understand that to others they might not meet that definition.

There have to be open hostilities according to US Code. The US is involved in a lot of conflict zones, but not directly NK or Russia.

Yup, open hostilities in the U.S. Capitol incited by Donald Trump, recorded and broadcast for the whole world to see.

By hostilities I assume you mean coup.

+1

Yes. The Russian Collusion hoax was a coup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope. But he is one of the top 5 presidents this country ever had.

Honestly, this might be the craziest thread ever on DCUM and that’s saying something

[Anonymous]

Yes of course he is a traitor. He would totally sell out this country for more $$$$ and more power.

He loves only himself, money, and power. He does not love this country, its ideals, his family, or human decency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. But he is one of the top 5 presidents this country ever had.

+1 Y'all cain't take away mah freedom.

Honestly, are you mentally ill? I truly think you want a leader like Mao or Stalin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe that Trump levied an army on Jan 6, and went to war against the US government at the Capitol, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

If you believe that he gave aid and comfort (in the form of national defense information) to Russia and/or North Korea, and that these nations are enemies of the US, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

I think these two actions of his could be construed as traitorous acts, but I understand that to others they might not meet that definition.

There have to be open hostilities according to US Code. The US is involved in a lot of conflict zones, but not directly NK or Russia.

Yup, open hostilities in the U.S. Capitol incited by Donald Trump, recorded and broadcast for the whole world to see.

By hostilities I assume you mean coup.

+1

Yes. The Russian Collusion hoax was a coup.

Some hoax.



It was not a coup and the investigation was real.

Trump has always run amid a herd of criminals and sketchy characters.

[Anonymous]

Obviously trump is a traitor. He colluded with Russia (that was proven, sorry maga, that you’re so uninformed that you don’t know), allowed MBS to murder a man trying to become a US citizen, buddied up to NK. Well buddied to really anyone insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obviously trump is a traitor. He colluded with Russia (that was proven, sorry maga, that you’re so uninformed that you don’t know), allowed MBS to murder a man trying to become a US citizen, buddied up to NK. Well buddied to really anyone insane.

People on this thread are substituting their emotions for any attempt to figure out where all of this fits into the Constitution, US Code, and past court decisions (to the extent such decisions may apply, because we are in territory we've never been in as a country).

"We focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not." Of course, there was evidence that could not be pursued (e.g. involving foreign individuals, not to mention stuff that people claimed not to remember or otherwise were not inclined to produce when questioned). Of course, this was not an exoneration. But even if criminal conspiracies involving Trump--or obstruction by Trump--was established (uh, this would require charges and court proceedings) were legally proven, that would not necessarily fit the definition of treason.

Allowed the murder of MBS? How exactly?

Buddied up to NK? They talked. We are in a ceasefire. Leaders of nations in a ceasefire may certainly communicate with each other.

I'm disgusted with the man. If a conviction results from all this I do NOT think it would be in the interest of the country to pardon him, although a commutation of his sentence might be ok. I still really like the idea of him being locked up in Mar-a-Lago all by himself forever, like in a Twilight Zone ending. A pardon simply moves the bar between what is allowed and what is not in a President to move further away from what we as a country can stand. If not these crimes, which crimes??? If not now, when???

I am very grateful that so many leaders of the insurrection are now in prison along with their followers, who now know very clearly what the cost of their loyalty turned out to me. Just another scam for which they paid the price. I believe that reduces th likelihood of much more serious violence and instability.

[Anonymous]

Trump is an American hero and generational phenomenon.

Biden is a vegetable with a nasty streak.

[Anonymous]

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Trump is an American hero and generational phenomenon.

Biden is a vegetable with a nasty streak.

So clever, you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously trump is a traitor. He colluded with Russia (that was proven, sorry maga, that you’re so uninformed that you don’t know), allowed MBS to murder a man trying to become a US citizen, buddied up to NK. Well buddied to really anyone insane.

People on this thread are substituting their emotions for any attempt to figure out where all of this fits into the Constitution, US Code, and past court decisions (to the extent such decisions may apply, because we are in territory we've never been in as a country).

"We focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not." Of course, there was evidence that could not be pursued (e.g. involving foreign individuals, not to mention stuff that people claimed not to remember or otherwise were not inclined to produce when questioned). Of course, this was not an exoneration. But even if criminal conspiracies involving Trump--or obstruction by Trump--was established (uh, this would require charges and court proceedings) were legally proven, that would not necessarily fit the definition of treason.

Allowed the murder of MBS? How exactly?

Buddied up to NK? They talked. We are in a ceasefire. Leaders of nations in a ceasefire may certainly communicate with each other.

I'm disgusted with the man. If a conviction results from all this I do NOT think it would be in the interest of the country to pardon him, although a commutation of his sentence might be ok. I still really like the idea of him being locked up in Mar-a-Lago all by himself forever, like in a Twilight Zone ending. A pardon simply moves the bar between what is allowed and what is not in a President to move further away from what we as a country can stand. If not these crimes, which crimes??? If not now, when???

I am very grateful that so many leaders of the insurrection are now in prison along with their followers, who now know very clearly what the cost of their loyalty turned out to me. Just another scam for which they paid the price. I believe that reduces th likelihood of much more serious violence and instability.

If the quoted is from the Mueller report, then you need to understand, the reason for the quoted was the lying, obstruction and destruction of evidence that precededed it. I think on the face of it, it is obvious the conspiracy against the US in the 2016 election. "Russia are you listening" combined with the Russian hack of both the RNC and DNC, the weaponization of DNC hacked emails (Pizzagate, remember?) Paul Manafort's "working for free" on the campaign while being under the employ of Russian backed Ukrainian oligarchs. Come on.

[Anonymous]

Of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that Trump levied an army on Jan 6, and went to war against the US government at the Capitol, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

If you believe that he gave aid and comfort (in the form of national defense information) to Russia and/or North Korea, and that these nations are enemies of the US, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

I think these two actions of his could be construed as traitorous acts, but I understand that to others they might not meet that definition.

Under those circumstances he is a traitor. Others disagree because they defend traitors. If you defend traitors, you are also a traitor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously trump is a traitor. He colluded with Russia (that was proven, sorry maga, that you’re so uninformed that you don’t know), allowed MBS to murder a man trying to become a US citizen, buddied up to NK. Well buddied to really anyone insane.

People on this thread are substituting their emotions for any attempt to figure out where all of this fits into the Constitution, US Code, and past court decisions (to the extent such decisions may apply, because we are in territory we've never been in as a country).

"We focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not." Of course, there was evidence that could not be pursued (e.g. involving foreign individuals, not to mention stuff that people claimed not to remember or otherwise were not inclined to produce when questioned). Of course, this was not an exoneration. But even if criminal conspiracies involving Trump--or obstruction by Trump--was established (uh, this would require charges and court proceedings) were legally proven, that would not necessarily fit the definition of treason.

Allowed the murder of MBS? How exactly?

Buddied up to NK? They talked. We are in a ceasefire. Leaders of nations in a ceasefire may certainly communicate with each other.

I'm disgusted with the man. If a conviction results from all this I do NOT think it would be in the interest of the country to pardon him, although a commutation of his sentence might be ok. I still really like the idea of him being locked up in Mar-a-Lago all by himself forever, like in a Twilight Zone ending. A pardon simply moves the bar between what is allowed and what is not in a President to move further away from what we as a country can stand. If not these crimes, which crimes??? If not now, when???

I am very grateful that so many leaders of the insurrection are now in prison along with their followers, who now know very clearly what the cost of their loyalty turned out to me. Just another scam for which they paid the price. I believe that reduces th likelihood of much more serious violence and instability.

If the quoted is from the Mueller report, then you need to understand, the reason for the quoted was the lying, obstruction and destruction of evidence that precededed it. I think on the face of it, it is obvious the conspiracy against the US in the 2016 election. "Russia are you listening" combined with the Russian hack of both the RNC and DNC, the weaponization of DNC hacked emails (Pizzagate, remember?) Paul Manafort's "working for free" on the campaign while being under the employ of Russian backed Ukrainian oligarchs. Come on.

Among the "evidence that could not be pursued" - Mueller was held back from looking into Trump's many foreign business dealings including with Russian oligarchs and bag-men for Putin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you believe that Trump levied an army on Jan 6, and went to war against the US government at the Capitol, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

If you believe that he gave aid and comfort (in the form of national defense information) to Russia and/or North Korea, and that these nations are enemies of the US, then yes, he is by definition of a traitor.

I think these two actions of his could be construed as traitorous acts, but I understand that to others they might not meet that definition.

There have to be open hostilities according to US Code. The US is involved in a lot of conflict zones, but not directly NK or Russia.

Yup, open hostilities in the U.S. Capitol incited by Donald Trump, recorded and broadcast for the whole world to see.

By hostilities I assume you mean coup.

+1

Yes. The Russian Collusion hoax was a coup.

Words have meaning. And that is not the meaning of coup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously trump is a traitor. He colluded with Russia (that was proven, sorry maga, that you’re so uninformed that you don’t know), allowed MBS to murder a man trying to become a US citizen, buddied up to NK. Well buddied to really anyone insane.

People on this thread are substituting their emotions for any attempt to figure out where all of this fits into the Constitution, US Code, and past court decisions (to the extent such decisions may apply, because we are in territory we've never been in as a country).

"We focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not." Of course, there was evidence that could not be pursued (e.g. involving foreign individuals, not to mention stuff that people claimed not to remember or otherwise were not inclined to produce when questioned). Of course, this was not an exoneration. But even if criminal conspiracies involving Trump--or obstruction by Trump--was established (uh, this would require charges and court proceedings) were legally proven, that would not necessarily fit the definition of treason.

Allowed the murder of MBS? How exactly?

Buddied up to NK? They talked. We are in a ceasefire. Leaders of nations in a ceasefire may certainly communicate with each other.

I'm disgusted with the man. If a conviction results from all this I do NOT think it would be in the interest of the country to pardon him, although a commutation of his sentence might be ok. I still really like the idea of him being locked up in Mar-a-Lago all by himself forever, like in a Twilight Zone ending. A pardon simply moves the bar between what is allowed and what is not in a President to move further away from what we as a country can stand. If not these crimes, which crimes??? If not now, when???

I am very grateful that so many leaders of the insurrection are now in prison along with their followers, who now know very clearly what the cost of their loyalty turned out to me. Just another scam for which they paid the price. I believe that reduces th likelihood of much more serious violence and instability.

If the quoted is from the Mueller report, then you need to understand, the reason for the quoted was the lying, obstruction and destruction of evidence that precededed it. I think on the face of it, it is obvious the conspiracy against the US in the 2016 election. "Russia are you listening" combined with the Russian hack of both the RNC and DNC, the weaponization of DNC hacked emails (Pizzagate, remember?) Paul Manafort's "working for free" on the campaign while being under the employ of Russian backed Ukrainian oligarchs. Come on.

Mueller would have charged Trump with obstruction, but DOJ made that impossible.