FLE Committee

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Anonymous wrote:Do not combine genders! Why is this so f#%king hard?

Because the FLE committee wants them combined. I guess because they do not want to acknowledge that there are biological girls and biological boys.

They already refuse to acknowledge that fact. The entire school year, FCPS has referred to boys as person “assigned” male at birth. Likewise, they no longer use the word girl; they changed it to person “assigned” female at birth. That gender ideology terminology has been used in all oficial forms of communication by FCPS. The important question at this point would be to find out what do teachers and school staff use with students to refer to boys and girls.

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I notice that the bathrooms still say "Boys" and "Girls". I wonder how long it will be before those are renamed. Honestly, I wake up every morning grateful that my kids are finally done with this nonsense.

When you've been in the schools (assuming you've actually been in schools) noticing the restroom signage, have you ever heard any school based staff member use different terms?

I’m in my kids’ schools all the time. And no, I haven’t heard anyone use different terms for boys and girls, but the comment was in response to the PP who said FCPS now uses “person assigned male/female at birth” in written communication. I was wondering when that nonsense would start trickling down to bathroom signage, etc.

You have a “+1” to the pp who wrote: The important question at this point would be to find out what do teachers and school staff use with students to refer to boys and girls.

You are extremely pedantic. I was agreeing with what that poster said and then asking my OWN question about when/if the bathrooms will be renamed. Are you able to move on now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is already in the directions for elementary school fle that a student can choose whether they go to the male or female fle.

This makes absolutely no sense for a biological boy to be learning all the necessary details of pads and tampons.

It’s not that complicated. This is a pad, this is a tampon, don’t flush them.

I think it is absolutely important for girls to learn about boys and vice versa. That’s been the curriculum for many years and is the standard in most places.

You clearly do not understand how fifth and sixth grade girls operate. Sure, boys need to understand the way bodies work, but handling periods is unique to girls. It is not as simple as showing what a pad is and how it works. But, I think you know that and it does not fit your agenda.

Were you ever an eleven year old girl? If you were, you would know that they are sensitive enough about these topics and it certainly would not help to be included with boys.
We all know that this is just to satisfy the less than 1%.

This is gaslighting.

Agreed. I do think both girls and boys need to learn about one another's particular issues though. Just not in a combined classroom.

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DP, btw ^^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is already in the directions for elementary school fle that a student can choose whether they go to the male or female fle.

This makes absolutely no sense for a biological boy to be learning all the necessary details of pads and tampons.

It’s not that complicated. This is a pad, this is a tampon, don’t flush them.

I think it is absolutely important for girls to learn about boys and vice versa. That’s been the curriculum for many years and is the standard in most places.

You clearly do not understand how fifth and sixth grade girls operate. Sure, boys need to understand the way bodies work, but handling periods is unique to girls. It is not as simple as showing what a pad is and how it works. But, I think you know that and it does not fit your agenda.

Were you ever an eleven year old girl? If you were, you would know that they are sensitive enough about these topics and it certainly would not help to be included with boys.
We all know that this is just to satisfy the less than 1%.

This is gaslighting.

+1 it’s absolutely disgusting. We need to stand up for our girls. Not these fake girls.

Being told that you are going to bleed every month and that it may be uncomfortable is troubling enough. Then, to learn all the hygeine that needs to be followed is an add-on.

What are these people thinking? They call themselves compassionate. Remember, some of the members of the FLE committee who were not born women would not understand. Others are so wrapped up in being "politically correct" and "progressive" that they are ignoring the emotions of young girls in favor of the confused.

DP. Is there a link that shows who is on the FLE committee?

[Anonymous]

DP. Is there a link that shows who is on the FLE committee?

https://www.fcps.edu/committee/family-life-education-curriculum-advisory-committee

Agenda and minutes are also there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the vast majority of parents do NOT want gender-combined lessons, why are they even considering it? See, this is what FCPS does. They claim they're soliciting the views of parents, but then they go right ahead and do whatever they want.

Sometimes leadership is about making unpopular decisions that ultimately are the right decisions.

I remember FLE in FCPS 10-15 years ago when I was a student and in elem and middle school when we were separated by gender, there was so much that was left out for us boys about what the girls went through. Most adult men don't understand the female reproductive system, or that women don't urinate out of their vagina. That's extremely problematic and when we separate genders for FLE, we are leaving out key details about the opposite gender.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't realize they teach about STDs in fifth grade.

Read the curriculum.

It used to be a very comprehensive, age appropriate, science and biology based sex ed lesson that most people would be comfortable with.

That is no longer the case.

This school board has systematically destroyed FCPS, especially under the last superintendent. If you care about your kids, it is impreative that you pay attention more than our parents did and more than one would consider a normal level of parent involvement.

November 2023 cannot come soon enough.

The curriculum comes FROM THE STATE. At least have a clue on what you’re talking about. And STDs have been part of 5th grade for AT LEAST the last 6 years.

I wrote the post that the curriculum comes from the state. The idea of combining boys and girls into one class is from FCPS. But the post I commented on is complaining about the CURRICULUM. The poster is whining that the curriculum is no longer age appropriate due to FCPS. That’s just a lie. Do I think the classes should be combined? Absolutely not. I’ve taught both the boys class and the girls class many times. There is no way most elementary-aged girls will feel safe with their questions in a combined class. Proposing or having combined classes demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding about children at this age, IMO.

I teach 6th and 100 percent agree. I am dreading these changes and hope most kids opt out if they go through. They will then realize it is a waste of instructional time.

If you have watched any SB meetings, you must understand that this is not about the "average" child who will be offended and uncomfortable. It is about the less than 1%. Just look at who they put on the FLE committee.

Children are going to be uncomfortable either way. They are talking about sex and puberty! I remember in fourth grade when we did this all the boys would laugh whenever someone said "penis." They are extremely uncomfortable, but these are important conversations to have in an open environment that doesn't exclude the opposite gender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is already in the directions for elementary school fle that a student can choose whether they go to the male or female fle.

This makes absolutely no sense for a biological boy to be learning all the necessary details of pads and tampons.

It makes total sense. Boys need to know what the girls go through and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't realize they teach about STDs in fifth grade.

Read the curriculum.

It used to be a very comprehensive, age appropriate, science and biology based sex ed lesson that most people would be comfortable with.

That is no longer the case.

This school board has systematically destroyed FCPS, especially under the last superintendent. If you care about your kids, it is impreative that you pay attention more than our parents did and more than one would consider a normal level of parent involvement.

November 2023 cannot come soon enough.

The curriculum comes FROM THE STATE. At least have a clue on what you’re talking about. And STDs have been part of 5th grade for AT LEAST the last 6 years.

Combined genders is not coming from the state.

The framework of fle is from the state.

The nonsense details are put in by our school board.

On the note of opting out, the new superintendent stated at one of her parent meet and greets last fall that if you opt yojr child out of fle, and the lesson involves trans issue, the school will opt your child back into the class without notifying the parents. All the kid has to do is express curiousity about the topic.

When asked to clarify this by a different parent, she affirmed that fcps will override a parent's written opt out specifically regarding transgender lessons.

Opting out is not enough.

If you want to opt your kid out of a particular fle lesson, you probably need to pull them out of school that day or that afternoon.

Take them for icecream instead.

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No it doesn’t pp. Not at 5th grade. Imagine yourself as a 5th grade girl in this situation.

Slide 18 .
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CSUKZX53EE81/$file/FLECAC_Presentation_June%202023.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the vast majority of parents do NOT want gender-combined lessons, why are they even considering it? See, this is what FCPS does. They claim they're soliciting the views of parents, but then they go right ahead and do whatever they want.

Sometimes leadership is about making unpopular decisions that ultimately are the right decisions.

I remember FLE in FCPS 10-15 years ago when I was a student and in elem and middle school when we were separated by gender, there was so much that was left out for us boys about what the girls went through. Most adult men don't understand the female reproductive system, or that women don't urinate out of their vagina. That's extremely problematic and when we separate genders for FLE, we are leaving out key details about the opposite gender.

Uh, no.

Anatomy is already part of the separate boys and girls fle classes.

So is the birthing process.

As I posted earlier, the fle curriculum of pre this school board (boys/girls separate) was already comprehensive and biology based.

This school board is systematically ruining what was once a very good, age appropriate fle class.

[Anonymous]

So, 85% of respondents on survey wanted gender separate instruction. The focus group of students thought it should be separate.
However, the committee says it needs to be combined. here is what they claim--contrary to only 11% supporting combined instruction and the student focus group saying it would be awkward. Do they not understand that the subject is awkward for kids under any circumstance and this will make it even more so. Do these people see themselves?

Here is what the committee said are reasons to combine it:

Normalizes issues of puberty and reproduction and
takes away unknowns about other gender
• Fosters understanding among students; increases
empathy for what others experience
• Inclusive environment for all students
• Less stigma and shame associated with puberty and
reproduction

[Anonymous]

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DP. Is there a link that shows who is on the FLE committee?

https://www.fcps.edu/committee/family-life-education-curriculum-advisory-committee

Agenda and minutes are also there.

Thank you so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the vast majority of parents do NOT want gender-combined lessons, why are they even considering it? See, this is what FCPS does. They claim they're soliciting the views of parents, but then they go right ahead and do whatever they want.

Sometimes leadership is about making unpopular decisions that ultimately are the right decisions.

I remember FLE in FCPS 10-15 years ago when I was a student and in elem and middle school when we were separated by gender, there was so much that was left out for us boys about what the girls went through. Most adult men don't understand the female reproductive system, or that women don't urinate out of their vagina. That's extremely problematic and when we separate genders for FLE, we are leaving out key details about the opposite gender.

Except separating them by gender doesn't have to mean leaving any of that out. I agree that boys and girls should all know about the anatomy of the opposite sex, in detail. But the point is, they don't have to be in the same classroom while learning about it.

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Anonymous wrote:So, 85% of respondents on survey wanted gender separate instruction. The focus group of students thought it should be separate.
However, the committee says it needs to be combined. here is what they claim--contrary to only 11% supporting combined instruction and the student focus group saying it would be awkward. Do they not understand that the subject is awkward for kids under any circumstance and this will make it even more so. Do these people see themselves?

Here is what the committee said are reasons to combine it:

Normalizes issues of puberty and reproduction and
takes away unknowns about other gender
• Fosters understanding among students; increases
empathy for what others experience
• Inclusive environment for all students
• Less stigma and shame associated with puberty and
reproduction

These people are absolute idiots. There is no other explanation.