Woke dems rename Lee-Jackson Hwy in Fairfax County, Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

You'll get no sympathy on these boards Op, it's as if they learned nothing about the Civil War and what President Lincoln and the soldiers who lost their lives meant to the end of slavery. They have a belief that if we just rewrite every history book, and erase all monuments then hate will go away. But it won't, because hate will always live in these peoples hearts and minds, always.

I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down their statues.

If you were one of those people, or knew any of those people, you would know that it’s been “a source of great pain” to them this entire time.

Those people have all been dead for years. That's the point. My black DH grew up in Richmond, surrounded by all of the "Glory of the Confederacy". Even he finds it rather eye-rolling that people are giving it so much thought and energy, much like the PP. It's part of the flavor/history/culture of the region. Let's focus on not being racist today, but nobody is really being harmed by a street called Lee Highway.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

You'll get no sympathy on these boards Op, it's as if they learned nothing about the Civil War and what President Lincoln and the soldiers who lost their lives meant to the end of slavery. They have a belief that if we just rewrite every history book, and erase all monuments then hate will go away. But it won't, because hate will always live in these peoples hearts and minds, always.

I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down their statues.

If you were one of those people, or knew any of those people, you would know that it’s been “a source of great pain” to them this entire time.

But that's the thing, I don't think it was. This only became a big deal just recently starting in 2020. People here are screaming about "traitors," but at the time, the Union forgave the South and welcomed back those that fought against it. If folks who can do that who lost family and had their lives uprooted because of a war the South started, why can't we 150 years later, forgive our fellow countrymen who fought against us?

Honestly, I don't really care either way, but do feel we lose part of our history and culture and risk repeating the mistakes of our past.

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But that's the thing, I don't think it was. This only became a big deal just recently starting in 2020. People here are screaming about "traitors," but at the time, the Union forgave the South and welcomed back those that fought against it. If folks who can do that who lost family and had their lives uprooted because of a war the South started, why can't we 150 years later, forgive our fellow countrymen who fought against us?

Honestly, I don't really care either way, but do feel we lose part of our history and culture and risk repeating the mistakes of our past.

That's because you don't know what you're talking about. That sounds rude, and I regret it, but I can't think of a more polite way to say it. The basic fact is that you don't know what you're talking about. You say it's nothing to you - so please stop talking and start listening to the people whom it actually is something to.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

You'll get no sympathy on these boards Op, it's as if they learned nothing about the Civil War and what President Lincoln and the soldiers who lost their lives meant to the end of slavery. They have a belief that if we just rewrite every history book, and erase all monuments then hate will go away. But it won't, because hate will always live in these peoples hearts and minds, always.

I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down their statues.

If you were one of those people, or knew any of those people, you would know that it’s been “a source of great pain” to them this entire time.

But that's the thing, I don't think it was. This only became a big deal just recently starting in 2020. People here are screaming about "traitors," but at the time, the Union forgave the South and welcomed back those that fought against it. If folks who can do that who lost family and had their lives uprooted because of a war the South started, why can't we 150 years later, forgive our fellow countrymen who fought against us?

Honestly, I don't really care either way, but do feel we lose part of our history and culture and risk repeating the mistakes of our past.

Actually it had been a big deal since reconstruction and the 1920's-30's when many of these statues went up. That YOU were not aware of the issue until 2020 is a you issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

You'll get no sympathy on these boards Op, it's as if they learned nothing about the Civil War and what President Lincoln and the soldiers who lost their lives meant to the end of slavery. They have a belief that if we just rewrite every history book, and erase all monuments then hate will go away. But it won't, because hate will always live in these peoples hearts and minds, always.

I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down their statues.

If you were one of those people, or knew any of those people, you would know that it’s been “a source of great pain” to them this entire time.

But that's the thing, I don't think it was. This only became a big deal just recently starting in 2020. People here are screaming about "traitors," but at the time, the Union forgave the South and welcomed back those that fought against it. If folks who can do that who lost family and had their lives uprooted because of a war the South started, why can't we 150 years later, forgive our fellow countrymen who fought against us?

Honestly, I don't really care either way, but do feel we lose part of our history and culture and risk repeating the mistakes of our past.

This didn’t start in 2020 at all. Confederate flag and statue controversy has been around for ages. South Carolina stopped flying one in 2015 I think? The initial reason for 2017’s Unite the Right in Charlottesville was about a confederate statue there. Georgia changed its state flag 20 years ago. Those leftists in Jacksonville renamed Nathan Bedford Forrest High School ten years ago. Ole Miss, not known as progressive, dumped its confederate general mascot twenty years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

Deciding not to honor traitors is not the same as "erasing history." I am certain Northern Virginia schools are still studying the history of the Civil War and familiarizing themselves with what men like Robert E. Lee, Jeb Stuart, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson did — including the fact that they were fighting to continue the right to own people as property.

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If you love history this much, wait till I tell you about books!

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

I literally LOLed that you included Arlington Cemetery. Not sure “erasing” history is relevant if you’re too stupid to learn it in the first place.

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Confederate losers lol. Glad this history is no longer celebrated. Only thing remains is whines and cries. Keep crying. Now we continue changing Virginia for the better. A better culture than ever. Love it. Lets keep diversifying the area, kill off the old VA culture for good.

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God I hate everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

You'll get no sympathy on these boards Op, it's as if they learned nothing about the Civil War and what President Lincoln and the soldiers who lost their lives meant to the end of slavery. They have a belief that if we just rewrite every history book, and erase all monuments then hate will go away. But it won't, because hate will always live in these peoples hearts and minds, always.

I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down their statues.

If you were one of those people, or knew any of those people, you would know that it’s been “a source of great pain” to them this entire time.

But that's the thing, I don't think it was. This only became a big deal just recently starting in 2020. People here are screaming about "traitors," but at the time, the Union forgave the South and welcomed back those that fought against it. If folks who can do that who lost family and had their lives uprooted because of a war the South started, why can't we 150 years later, forgive our fellow countrymen who fought against us?

Honestly, I don't really care either way, but do feel we lose part of our history and culture and risk repeating the mistakes of our past.

Actually it had been a big deal since reconstruction and the 1920's-30's when many of these statues went up. That YOU were not aware of the issue until 2020 is a you issue.

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This has been an issue for me for the last 20+ years. Ever since I first step foot in VA and saw roads and buildings named after confederate generals.

Maybe if you grew up with it you don’t realize just how f-ed up it is.

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I grew up in a northern state that wasn't part of the Union during the Civil War with no ancestors that lived in America at the time, so there was no evidence of the Civil War around me growing up nor have I ever had strong opinions about it other than I have always supported the Union and do not support slavery and the cause of the Confederacy. Perhaps I may have a unique take, but I kind of find all the remnants (streets, schools, bases, etc.) of the Confederacy to be some quaint anachronism that is part of the charm and character of Virginia that gives it culture and flavor. I recognize that many of these names were given decades ago and maybe not for good reasons, but don't feel that in keeping them, we are honoring anything. It's part of the culture and the history of this area and every time I drive on "Jefferson Davis Hwy" or see one of these names, I chuckle, remember that I'm in Virginia, and I am reminded of this area's past and its lessons. I find it odd that in the 150 years since the Civil War ended and long after the children and even grandchildren of anyone who lived during that era have died, it's become such a controversy and source of great pain to people. I just feel something unique is lost when we go around and erase unique reminders of our history even the bad parts. We can keep them but at the same time their statues.

remember what they meant. As another example, I'm very anti-communist and fully aware of how evil Lenin and Stalin were, but feel the same way about tearing down
It's so amusing to be reminded that people deliberately engaged in a successful campaign to perpetuate a system of white supremacy, 60 years after the end of the war whose losers they were supposedly commemorating! Part of the charm and character of Virginia!

It was named to show power of the white supremacist and keep the blacks and Jews in their place.

The historian W. Fitzhugh Brundage estimated that 86 people were fatally lynched in Virginia between 1880 and 1930.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

I literally LOLed that you included Arlington Cemetery. Not sure “erasing” history is relevant if you’re too stupid to learn it in the first place.

they literally removed Lee’s name from the memorial.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they have nothing better to do than to rename every single street and school, most of which residents don’t care enough about? So sad that northern virginia’s rich confederate history (Robert E Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia, Arlington Cemetery, etc.) history has attempted to be erased, as evident in changes to Lee Hwy, Jackson Lee Hwy, Jefferson Davis Hwy, many of Fairfax City and Alexandria City’s streets, Robert E Lee HS, JEB Stuart HS, Fairfax HS Rebels, Loudoun County Raiders in LoCo, and PWC’s Stonewall Jackson HS, just to name a few.

I literally LOLed that you included Arlington Cemetery. Not sure “erasing” history is relevant if you’re too stupid to learn it in the first place.

they literally removed Lee’s name from the memorial.

They literally didn't, but it would be fine if they did. There is an odd amount of confusion about the difference between "history" and "having a memorial honoring."

https://www.nps.gov/arho/learn/management/national-memorial-to-robert-e-lee.htm

[Anonymous]

I have read a bit on Lee. Anyway, he seemed to say at the end of the war that he wanted everyone to move on, so I think he’s ok with re-naming.

[Anonymous]

I remember growing up in Virginia as a white person and wondering why an actual paved highway was named after Civil War generals. It made no sense to me, even in the 70s.