Sports and religion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:September 29, 2022

More people approve than disapprove of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling to allow a public high school football coach to pray on the field. More than 6 in 10 think a coach leading a team in prayer, a player leading a team in prayer, or a coach praying on the field without asking the team to join in should all be allowed at public high school sporting events.

Few Americans are concerned that the Supreme Court ruling will make students feel pressure to participate in prayer or make students feel less welcome participating in high school sports. Most do not think the court’s ruling will lead to other public school officials praying with students during school hours. And just 30% of the public feels that religion has too much influence on what children are taught in school.

When it comes to professional sports, more people approve than disapprove of professional athletes praying on the field or expressing their faith publicly. Forty-five percent approve of professional athletes wearing religious symbols while on the field. However, only 30% approve of professional athletes kneeling during the national anthem.

https://apnorc.org/projects/the-publics-opinion-on-religion-in-sports/

Proselytizing means forcing people to be religious. The coaches aren’t proselytizing when they are praying and expressing their religious beliefs. Prayers in public are not proselytizing.

Proselytism is attempting to convert people's religious or political beliefs.

If you look up the verb “proselytism” in most dictionaries, you’ll find it defined as any effort to persuade a person to give up one point of view in favor of another. Atheists and anti-theists constantly proselytize in this forum.

Yet even Kavenaugh said he would pray with the coach just to secure playing time.

[Anonymous]

It’s all fine and good until a Muslim coach takes a prayer mat to midfield and students feel pressured to pray with him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

[Anonymous]

The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for atheist troll to detail the awful incident in which their still lips saved them from a forced group prayer. Still lips poster, can you gish gallop back to the thread and post your harrowing experience for us all to read? We want to know what happened to you! It was obviously a very serious and tragic circumstance, and you need to be brave and share your story. (((hugs)))

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:September 29, 2022

More people approve than disapprove of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling to allow a public high school football coach to pray on the field. More than 6 in 10 think a coach leading a team in prayer, a player leading a team in prayer, or a coach praying on the field without asking the team to join in should all be allowed at public high school sporting events.

Few Americans are concerned that the Supreme Court ruling will make students feel pressure to participate in prayer or make students feel less welcome participating in high school sports. Most do not think the court’s ruling will lead to other public school officials praying with students during school hours. And just 30% of the public feels that religion has too much influence on what children are taught in school.

When it comes to professional sports, more people approve than disapprove of professional athletes praying on the field or expressing their faith publicly. Forty-five percent approve of professional athletes wearing religious symbols while on the field. However, only 30% approve of professional athletes kneeling during the national anthem.

https://apnorc.org/projects/the-publics-opinion-on-religion-in-sports/

Proselytizing means forcing people to be religious. The coaches aren’t proselytizing when they are praying and expressing their religious beliefs. Prayers in public are not proselytizing.

Proselytism is attempting to convert people's religious or political beliefs.

If you look up the verb “proselytism” in most dictionaries, you’ll find it defined as any effort to persuade a person to give up one point of view in favor of another. Atheists and anti-theists constantly proselytize in this forum.

Yea! Fall back onto the the Supreme Court. Way to prove your point. /s

That you're quoting a poll of what Americans think (by the way, i know too much about polls to take that at face value) doesn't mean that Christians should do do in this instance. Isn't the Bible the higher authority? What is purely legal, may not be what is the best treatment a Christian should offer their neighbors' children.

Americans are most supportive of opposing teams praying together after games, with 55 percent of all Americans viewing it positively.

Most Americans don’t mind professional athletes expressing their faith on and off the field, according to a new study.

A poll conducted by Grey Matter Research and Consulting shows that 49 percent of Americans see athletes’ public expressions of faith favorably; 32 percent don’t care, and 19 percent take a more negative view.

Christians aren’t hurting anyone by publicly expressing their beliefs about their religion. It’s freedom of religion and speech. If you don’t like it, you are can ignore it. And it’s not proselytizing, fyi.




1 Timothy 2:8 ESV

I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;

James 5:16 ESV

Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 ESV

Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Philippians 4:6 ESV

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

Matthew 5:44 ESV

But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,


Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you” (1 Thessalonians 5:16–18)

These verses show that God desires prayers and that it is good and necessary for Christians to pray, but it is only your poll that says that coaches or people in positions of power should lead a group prayer with those who are not Christians.

1. It’s not my poll
2. People who are not Christian would not be in a group prayer.
3. Christians can pray publicly and if people who are not Christian are in public with praying Christians- they can ignore the Christians and the prayers.

It's hard to ignore, if you're pulled into a prayer group -- as I once was, in a completely secular situation. It almost happened another time, but I recognized the signs and pulled back physically and vocally. People just looked at me funny and left me alone.

Oh you poor thing. I cannot imagine how one could endure the trauma of having others pray for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

Your "rights?" You can step away from this coach-led prayer, you know. You aren't forced to participate, like I am forced to look at gay garb if I choose to go to an MLB game on "pride" night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

Your "rights?" You can step away from this coach-led prayer, you know. You aren't forced to participate, like I am forced to look at gay garb if I choose to go to an MLB game on "pride" night.

Coach or player led prayer is completely optional. No one is forced to pray.

No explanation from still lips poster-another anti-theist troll making up stories-quite unbelievable stories at that- to attack religion. Lame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

Students and players are forced to pray or compelled. Both violate the right to religion.

Even Kavanaugh stated that in his statement.

You would be okay if your child’s coach had them pray to Allah before/after a game?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else cringe at blatant evangelism in sports?

Prayer circles, coaches proselytizing, etc?

It’s at all levels — youth, college, pro.

I get praying for the safety of participants but why do these people thing God cares about sports, much less has a preference for a victor? Specifically, why do some winners insinuate that God helped them win?

You "cringe" at this, OP? What an odd choice of words. Are you always so fragile?

I think it's great and has a positive influence on younger kits/ players.

If you've never been to Faith Night at Nats Park, you should do so one year. It's very uplifting.

Tgey guy next to you being gay and proud of it does not infringe on any of your rights.

Coach lead prays does.

Your "rights?" You can step away from this coach-led prayer, you know. You aren't forced to participate, like I am forced to look at gay garb if I choose to go to an MLB game on "pride" night.

You can’t step away if you think it will offend the coach and affect your playing time, which was actually called out in the conservatives response as a violation of the students rights.

Coaches have every right to pray alone but when student join them it steps over the violation of rights… the conservatives said so .

Looking at gay garb does not violate your right to religion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

Students and players are forced to pray or compelled. Both violate the right to religion.

Even Kavanaugh stated that in his statement.

You would be okay if your child’s coach had them pray to Allah before/after a game?

You are a lying troll who hates freedom.

You hate religious people and especially Catholics; you hate SCOTUS.

Nobody is forcing anyone to pray. Still lips troll disappeared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

Students and players are forced to pray or compelled. Both violate the right to religion.

Even Kavanaugh stated that in his statement.

You would be okay if your child’s coach had them pray to Allah before/after a game?

You are a lying troll who hates freedom.

You hate religious people and especially Catholics; you hate SCOTUS.

Nobody is forcing anyone to pray. Still lips troll disappeared.

I’ll pray for you because you’re clearly off your rocker.

Read the responses to the case you seem like you didn’t.

Don’t u want to be protected from praying to Allah ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 on Monday that a high school coach’s post-game prayers on a football field were in-bounds.

Joseph Kennedy’s prayers are protected by the First Amendment’s right to free speech and free exercise of religion, the court decided. The coach didn’t coerce any Bremerton, Washington, high school players into praying, so the school district was wrong to try to stop him from practicing his Christian faith.

“The Constitution neither mandates nor tolerates that kind of discrimination,” Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote for the conservative majority, citing a 1992 precedent. “Learning how to tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a pluralistic society,’ a trait of character essential to ‘a tolerant citizenry.’”

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/praying-coach-scotus-kennedy-bremerton-schools.html

Atheists and anti-theists posting here are not able to be tolerant citizens. Go figure. It’s always the people who claim to be the most tolerant and accepting that are the least tolerant and accepting.

Christians have the right to pray in public. People who don’t believe in religion and prayer don’t have to pray, or be religious. Op, and others who wish they could take away this right-it’s not going to happen in our free society. You may wish to live in a country that limits freedom of speech and religion. You are out of luck in that regard in America.

As atheist troll above states- just don’t move your lips when a gang of praying Christians physically assault you by forcibly pulling you into a group prayer. God won’t hear your prayer if your lips don’t move. Also they can only see you if you move, so stand still and they can’t see you. Wear earth tones to blend into nature so you can flee if necessary and take refuge among the trees. Work on your cardio so if the praying Christians give chase, your endurance can outlast them. /s

People in the position of power do not have the right to infringe on other people’s right to religion by making them feel compelled to pray a religion they doing believe it.

The second a coach is praying to Allah with the team is the moment the SCOTUS will change their ruling.

SCOTUS has the right and duty.

No one is being forced to pray or be religious. SCOTUS is affirming the right Americans have to be religious and pray. You just don’t like it.

You can keep trying to push bigotry and hatred against Muslims as a little treat- but you are talking out your rear end.

Students and players are forced to pray or compelled. Both violate the right to religion.

Even Kavanaugh stated that in his statement.

You would be okay if your child’s coach had them pray to Allah before/after a game?

You are a lying troll who hates freedom.

You hate religious people and especially Catholics; you hate SCOTUS.

Nobody is forcing anyone to pray. Still lips troll disappeared.

I’ll pray for you because you’re clearly off your rocker.

Read the responses to the case you seem like you didn’t.

Don’t u want to be protected from praying to Allah ?

I have a personal policy of not engaging people who use the letter u in place of typing out the word you.

Also I don’t need protection from other people’s religious rights and freedoms. That is something atheists and anti-theists claim they need. The prayers of other people hurt atheists and anti-theists, somehow. They employ strategies such as not moving their lips to protect themselves from the prayer.