No consequence for teaching CRT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Will you agree that our country was founded on the principles of liberty and freedom for white men, and white men only?

That we had to fight a war over slavery as it was embedded in our culture? That we are STILL fighting the ideals that perpetrated slavery in the first place?

Will you agree to teach about the Robber Barons and why we had sweatshops? About the various immigrant groups that came here and fueled single handedly supported our economy? And how our economy is still supported by immigrants, particularly undocumented ones? That the vegetables they eat were picked by undocumented immigrants, and those chicken nuggets came from poultry farms where thousands of undocumented immigrants are paid low wages under the table in dangerous conditions, many of them children.

How about how the US fueled unrest in Central America causing the dangerous life these people are fleeing?


Read a book.

Amen!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Just because there was in-fighting among native Americans does not mean they deserved to be nearly exterminated from this earth. 🙄

Smallpox was terrible and no one deserves it. No one exterminated the American Indians.

Read a book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Will you agree that our country was founded on the principles of liberty and freedom for white men, and white men only?

That we had to fight a war over slavery as it was embedded in our culture? That we are STILL fighting the ideals that perpetrated slavery in the first place?

Will you agree to teach about the Robber Barons and why we had sweatshops? About the various immigrant groups that came here and fueled single handedly supported our economy? And how our economy is still supported by immigrants, particularly undocumented ones? That the vegetables they eat were picked by undocumented immigrants, and those chicken nuggets came from poultry farms where thousands of undocumented immigrants are paid low wages under the table in dangerous conditions, many of them children.

How about how the US fueled unrest in Central America causing the dangerous life these people are fleeing?


Read a book.

Amen!

Sure. That's the only reason there is poverty and crime in Central America. We've given plenty of aid there. It just never helps those that need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Will you agree that our country was founded on the principles of liberty and freedom for white men, and white men only?

That we had to fight a war over slavery as it was embedded in our culture? That we are STILL fighting the ideals that perpetrated slavery in the first place?

Will you agree to teach about the Robber Barons and why we had sweatshops? About the various immigrant groups that came here and fueled single handedly supported our economy? And how our economy is still supported by immigrants, particularly undocumented ones? That the vegetables they eat were picked by undocumented immigrants, and those chicken nuggets came from poultry farms where thousands of undocumented immigrants are paid low wages under the table in dangerous conditions, many of them children.

How about how the US fueled unrest in Central America causing the dangerous life these people are fleeing?


Read a book.

Amen!

Sure. That's the only reason there is poverty and crime in Central America. We've given plenty of aid there. It just never helps those that need it.

Look, you are missing a lot in your education. Please educate yourself before posting ridiculous comments. Do you understand our role in Central America in previous decades? With your comment, I think not. Here's a clue- the Reagan administration. Have you heard of the Reagan Doctrine? Wasn't that taught in your school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Just because there was in-fighting among native Americans does not mean they deserved to be nearly exterminated from this earth. 🙄

Smallpox was terrible and no one deserves it. No one exterminated the American Indians.

Read a book.

We did read a book. Spoiler alert- yes, we did exterminate the Native populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm still waiting for the person who started this thread to come back and explain critical race theory. Maybe they can explain string theory while they're at it.

CRT = Cathode Ray Tube
It’s kind of obsolete. I can see why OP is concerned that they’re still using these in schools. Maybe they should budget for new monitors!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Wait a minute, lady. Are you saying that because indigenous tribes weren't "peaceful" at all parts of history, that they deserved annihilation by Northern Europeans? What? What does that have to do with anything? Is this a binary thing with you- a zero sum game?
And yes! The history of indigenous people is taught!
If you think teaching about slavery is Ok, but not why slavery was implemented, and how the South fought for it, what a Confederacy means, what the Confederate flag means, and why officers of this oppression are not named on schools anymore, and their statues are no longer honored in the town, and how after the Civil War, beyond Reconstruction, this country continued to enforce oppression of non whites, and WHY. How about things like lynchings, the Tulsa massacre, and how civil rights for all is still being fought for, and WHY, then you aren't teaching history. You are teaching a very sanitized version of how privilege prevails.

Bless your heart.

Are you saying that because indigenous tribes weren't "peaceful" at all parts of history, that they deserved annihilation by Northern Europeans? What? What does that have to do with anything? Is this a binary thing with you- a zero sum game?
And yes! The history of indigenous people is taught!

No. I am not saying that at all. You are twisting this. I'm just pointing out that people like to think that the Native Americans were all peaceful and happy and well before the Europeans came. It's not like the Europeans taught them the concept of conflict and war.

If you think teaching about slavery is Ok, but not why slavery was implemented, and how the South fought for it, what a Confederacy means, what the Confederate flag means, and why officers of this oppression are not named on schools anymore, and their statues are no longer honored in the town, and how after the Civil War, beyond Reconstruction, this country continued to enforce oppression of non whites,

I did not say that should not be taught. I do have problems with removing symbols because that is the way you lose the history. I don't think schools should be named after confederates and never said that. I don't think they should be honored--but i think they could have dropped the Jeb and just called it "Stuart" as the community wished. No one had to honor Jeb. Renaming schools costs money and the money could have been far better spent on actually helping the students.
I was taught about Reconstruction as I'm pretty sure students still are. Reconstruction is history. Jim Crow history and should be taught. But, teaching kids that they are still living through Jim Crow--when they are not is wrong. You must be pretty young if you don't know the difference.

But, you want to teach kids that they are still discriminated again. Yes, there are still racists. But, there is no longer systemic racism.

I am in my 60s. I am not young.
Yes, systemic racism means exactly what it means- it is systemic in our nation. Do you know what systemic means?
We are still living in a racist society, with plenty of examples each day. Have you been paying attention in the last 6 years at all?

You aren't losing history by removing symbols of oppression, you are indicating our values of not honoring oppression. Remember the whole liberty thing you keep bringing up? Do you think Germany has statues and schools named for Holocaust murderers?
Do you want a black child to go to a school named Stuart ? Would you want to? (But just without the Jeb? What?)

[Anonymous]

I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

**endemic. (Correction)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

No, hun, we're moderates who love our country and want to improve it, not tear it down, not tear it apart.

And our voices may not be the loudest but we are the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Yes. I can help. I've written curriculum for public and private school-
and taught for over 40 years and am still teaching.

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on an ideal, freedom and individual liberty more than anywhere else in the world, that we have worked towards it and have been an example for others around the world, and that there is room for improvement, then they will appreciate why we should make the effort. This is a view of optimism, which is (used to be) an American cultural trait.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on badness, then why should we work to improve the country when the country is bad from the beginning? This is a view of pessimism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes. I can help. I've written curriculum for public and private school-
and taught for over 40 years and am still teaching.

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on an ideal, freedom and individual liberty more than anywhere else in the world, that we have worked towards it and have been an example for others around the world, and that there is room for improvement, then they will appreciate why we should make the effort. This is a view of optimism, which is (used to be) an American cultural trait.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on badness, then why should we work to improve the country when the country is bad from the beginning? This is a view of pessimism.

So people would get depressed and give up if they realized they’re not perfect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes. I can help. I've written curriculum for public and private school-
and taught for over 40 years and am still teaching.

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on an ideal, freedom and individual liberty more than anywhere else in the world, that we have worked towards it and have been an example for others around the world, and that there is room for improvement, then they will appreciate why we should make the effort. This is a view of optimism, which is (used to be) an American cultural trait.

If we teach our children that our country was founded on badness, then why should we work to improve the country when the country is bad from the beginning? This is a view of pessimism.

It also promotes a victim mentality. This way of thinking is extremely prevalent in US universities. A vast majority of these professors are liberals with no work experience and they view everything through that ideological lens. They have never experienced anything outside of academia. Everything is theoretical and based on books they read 40 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Will you agree that our country was founded on the principles of liberty and freedom for white men, and white men only?

That we had to fight a war over slavery as it was embedded in our culture? That we are STILL fighting the ideals that perpetrated slavery in the first place?

Will you agree to teach about the Robber Barons and why we had sweatshops? About the various immigrant groups that came here and fueled single handedly supported our economy? And how our economy is still supported by immigrants, particularly undocumented ones? That the vegetables they eat were picked by undocumented immigrants, and those chicken nuggets came from poultry farms where thousands of undocumented immigrants are paid low wages under the table in dangerous conditions, many of them children.

How about how the US fueled unrest in Central America causing the dangerous life these people are fleeing?


Read a book.

I agree with you to a point, but in the end you use earlier arguments to justify continuing illegal immigration and the exploitation of the people here and where they left. The country is a work in progress. It has made course corrections, not all of which have been fully realized. Dealing with unfettered entrance into this country and accounting for the in and out flow of people is needed. Plus intervention outside the US borders to deal with cartels and perhaps some governments. I don't know what the right approach is. Clearly a delicate balance is needed in regards to immigrants. If you are for controlling this, then you are perpetuating the exploitation of people ike in earlier US history. The path from the south into the US is the new Trail of Tears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This county was founded on the principles of colonialism, which is oppression. It's not a theory, it's a fact. Oppression fueled its growth from the beginning with slavery, sweatshops, annihilation of native groups, not just in North America but in all of the Americas. Yes, kids do need to understand colonialism and the growth of nations.

1. The United States was founded on the principle of liberty. Slavery was terrible and wrong. And, what happened? We fought a war over it and it was abolished. Lots of men gave their lives for that. That is important for students to understand. That it became better. It has taken more than two hundred years, but people are not oppressed now in the same way they were --even fifty years ago.

2. Our government enabled us to eventually eliminate sweatshops--the ones that exist now are illegal and likely fueled by illegal immigration.

3. Annihilation of native groups was not good--but, you do know that they were not peaceful before Europeans arrived? Were you aware of that? Do you teach that?

Do you really think the Americas were peaceful prior to the colonization? Really?

Will you agree that our country was founded on the principles of liberty and freedom for white men, and white men only?

That we had to fight a war over slavery as it was embedded in our culture? That we are STILL fighting the ideals that perpetrated slavery in the first place?

Will you agree to teach about the Robber Barons and why we had sweatshops? About the various immigrant groups that came here and fueled single handedly supported our economy? And how our economy is still supported by immigrants, particularly undocumented ones? That the vegetables they eat were picked by undocumented immigrants, and those chicken nuggets came from poultry farms where thousands of undocumented immigrants are paid low wages under the table in dangerous conditions, many of them children.

How about how the US fueled unrest in Central America causing the dangerous life these people are fleeing?


Read a book.

I agree with you to a point, but in the end you use earlier arguments to justify continuing illegal immigration and the exploitation of the people here and where they left. The country is a work in progress. It has made course corrections, not all of which have been fully realized. Dealing with unfettered entrance into this country and accounting for the in and out flow of people is needed. Plus intervention outside the US borders to deal with cartels and perhaps some governments. I don't know what the right approach is. Clearly a delicate balance is needed in regards to immigrants. If you are not for controlling immigration at the borders and the in/out flow of immigrants (until they are granted permanent residency or citizenship), then you are perpetuating the exploitation of people ike in earlier US history. The path from the south into the US is the new Trail of Tears.

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