DeSantis’s immigration law is leading to worker shortages

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

Millions of people moving to FL and TX from CA, NY, NJ, IL....DC losing population...but sure, let's discuss the latest anti-FL conspiracy theory as if it's true...why would anyone not listen to those voting with their feet.

Yep. And, I saw this today....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

Millions of people moving to FL and TX from CA, NY, NJ, IL....DC losing population...but sure, let's discuss the latest anti-FL conspiracy theory as if it's true...why would anyone not listen to those voting with their feet.

Actual no. Texas’s growth was from illegal immigrants. Population growth during the pandemic was zero or slightly negative because there was so little immigration. This lack of immigration caused population decline in Ca, NY, NJ and DC. We need about 3-5 million immigrants a year to have a positive population growth. We are no where near that.

We need a citation for this claim. Because, it isn't true.
And, the decline in CA, NY, NJ, and DC were NOT because of a lack of immigration. People moved.

https://www.businessinsider.com/map-states-population-growth-decline-largest-increases-decreases-census-data-2022-12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

Millions of people moving to FL and TX from CA, NY, NJ, IL....DC losing population...but sure, let's discuss the latest anti-FL conspiracy theory as if it's true...why would anyone not listen to those voting with their feet.

This law just passed, and the FL migration peaked in 2020 (you may recall what happened in 2020 that made people move south).

https://apnews.com/article/florida-immigration-demographics-6e3ab98cf1e4d380bd105ecc0e0e2cd5

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

Cites Vox

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

Cites Vox

DeSantis

[Anonymous]

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We need about 3-5 million immigrants a year to have a positive population growth. We are no where near that.

Approximately 1 million green cards a year, and 2 million from family reunification, which is not part of the cap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Dozens of videos on social media show empty construction sites and farms even before a new law goes into effect.
The videos from Florida aren’t hard to find: Dozens of clips of empty fields, abandoned construction sites, and scores of truck drivers calling for boycotts of the state have racked up hundreds of thousands of views on TikTok and Twitter over the last month. The common thread? Fear and frustration over the state’s newest anti-immigrant law, signed a week ago by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, which mandates that businesses with 25 or more employees verify the citizenship status of workers through the federal online portal E-Verify or face stronger penalties, among other new restrictions

https://www.vox.com/2023/5/17/23725952/ron-desantis-immigration-law-florida

Next up Texas. Why would anyone vote for republicans.

As if that is a negative.


I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist


The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Man, when did Dems become such simps for the rich?

Dems?

The bottom line is that limiting immigration is bad for the economy. And it is mostly republican business owners who employ undocumented workers. There is a reason the GOP political class is against eVerify.

BOTTOM LINE IS THAT LIMITING IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR LOW WAGE WORKERS. Bad for the urban elite.


I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist


The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man, when did Dems become such simps for the rich?

Dems?

The bottom line is that limiting immigration is bad for the economy. And it is mostly republican business owners who employ undocumented workers. There is a reason the GOP political class is against eVerify.

BOTTOM LINE IS THAT LIMITING IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR LOW WAGE WORKERS. Bad for the urban elite.


I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist


The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

It's not clear that it's bad for the urban elite either. Many of them consider their rents to be on the high side.

[Anonymous]

I'll say it again. There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There is only whatever amount of workers there is. There is more to an economy than L.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll say it again. There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There is only whatever amount of workers there is. There is more to an economy than L.

That’s ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

It’s very interesting to see how it plays out. I am in CA and I see an influx of presumably legal newcomers from Ukraine looking for odd jobs. Hopefully some or many of them will move to Florida and get a perfectly legal job with protected wages. Then there are Russian asylum seekers who eventually get a work permit. They can do some jobs as well.
However it may just not play out that way. It remains to be seen if Florida’s law is a success. I don’t think any politician ever supports any law that is not being lobbied by someone. So who are the ones pushing for the new law in Florida and what is their plan to deal with the fallout? It remains to be seen!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll say it again. There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There is only whatever amount of workers there is. There is more to an economy than L.

Labor is finite but when there is more demand for workers than there are workers, it will cause shortages, it will cause price hikes and inflation, it will cause project to be delayed or canceled, it will cause businesses and consumers to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll say it again. There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There is only whatever amount of workers there is. There is more to an economy than L.

That’s ridiculous.

+1 There is such a thing as "labor shortage". We went through that during the pandemic, and shortly after, but it was mostly in the low wage sector.

Post WWII there was a surge in labor shortage in the UK to rebuild the country. They brought in laborers from the West Indies.

https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain

After a hurricane, there is usually some labor shortage to help with the cleanup and rebuild, and companies usually use illegal immigrant labor as a stop gap, like they do in FL.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics-issues/2022-10-06/migrant-workers-likely-vital-florida-rebuild-hurricane-ian-hit-them-too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll say it again. There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There is only whatever amount of workers there is. There is more to an economy than L.

That’s ridiculous.

+1 There is such a thing as "labor shortage". We went through that during the pandemic, and shortly after, but it was mostly in the low wage sector.

Post WWII there was a surge in labor shortage in the UK to rebuild the country. They brought in laborers from the West Indies.

https://www.bl.uk/windrush/articles/how-caribbean-migrants-rebuilt-britain

After a hurricane, there is usually some labor shortage to help with the cleanup and rebuild, and companies usually use illegal immigrant labor as a stop gap, like they do in FL.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics-issues/2022-10-06/migrant-workers-likely-vital-florida-rebuild-hurricane-ian-hit-them-too

Or like all of the Turks and others who came to Germany to help rebuild after WWII as part of the "Gastarbeiter" program.