UVa Admissions Stats for Fall 2023

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

The Commonwealth contributes less than 6%.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

The Commonwealth contributes less than 6%.

Virginia’s unique structure for funding schools may be one of the most broken, according to critics — unique because schools don’t work through a central university system, like they do in New York, North Carolina or Texas, which allot taxpayer dollars according to a formula. Unlike states with a centralized university system, Virginia’s legislature funds each university on a case-by-case basis, generally giving each a little more year after year but doing so in response to lobbying by each university, which pitch their needs to state Senate and House education committees.

The result is a disbursement system that even the state’s own higher education has described as “irrational.”

“If Virginia is going to invest in public education, it should probably focus its attention on the institutions that are moving the needle the most,” Murphy said. “If you’re a place like William & Mary, where close to half of the students don’t even take out financial aid. Or if you’re a place like UVa, where you’re enrolling the state’s wealthiest students, on top of more than a billion-dollar endowment, the state may not need to invest as much in you, because you’re already wealthy. You’re not enrolling the lion’s share of students who come from low-income backgrounds.”

In 2021, a State Higher Education Finance Report found that Virginia students shouldered thousands of dollars more in tuition costs than the average American student. Virginia students contributed $9,000 in tuition revenue, compared to a U.S. average of $6,700, according to SHEF data.

https://richmond.com/news/local/education/debt-lobbying-and-distrust-hamper-funding-for-higher-ed-in-virginia/article_5e1603c0-98d6-11ed-93fa-b7fa536917ab.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

The Commonwealth contributes less than 6%.

Virginia’s unique structure for funding schools may be one of the most broken, according to critics — unique because schools don’t work through a central university system, like they do in New York, North Carolina or Texas, which allot taxpayer dollars according to a formula. Unlike states with a centralized university system, Virginia’s legislature funds each university on a case-by-case basis, generally giving each a little more year after year but doing so in response to lobbying by each university, which pitch their needs to state Senate and House education committees.

The result is a disbursement system that even the state’s own higher education has described as “irrational.”

“If Virginia is going to invest in public education, it should probably focus its attention on the institutions that are moving the needle the most,” Murphy said. “If you’re a place like William & Mary, where close to half of the students don’t even take out financial aid. Or if you’re a place like UVa, where you’re enrolling the state’s wealthiest students, on top of more than a billion-dollar endowment, the state may not need to invest as much in you, because you’re already wealthy. You’re not enrolling the lion’s share of students who come from low-income backgrounds.”

In 2021, a State Higher Education Finance Report found that Virginia students shouldered thousands of dollars more in tuition costs than the average American student. Virginia students contributed $9,000 in tuition revenue, compared to a U.S. average of $6,700, according to SHEF data.

https://richmond.com/news/local/education/debt-lobbying-and-distrust-hamper-funding-for-higher-ed-in-virginia/article_5e1603c0-98d6-11ed-93fa-b7fa536917ab.html

SO they get the most $$$ from full-pay OOS and wealthy VA students.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that yield rate puts UVA easily within the top 25 of the country. I do not think UVA exercises yield protection. It doesn't need to do so.
And no dog in this fight. Not an alum and no kid there.

I haven't seen any claims that UVA yield protects--the only public VA u that people make that claim is VT (and there's some evidence for that--but it's more like yield protection due to settings on its enrollment management algorithm rather than someone in admissions actively saying 'this high stats kid isn't going to really come here')

And Tim Sands wants it to yield protect to raise the numbers of first generation, URM and underrepresented minorities to 40% of school population which he's done The questionis wehtheror not the only polytechnic public school in the commonwealth should be doing that.

Tim Sands earned his MS and Ph.D from Berkeley.

It should come as no surprise he is trying to implement extreme left wing / social justice policies at Virginia Tech.

Why was this radical chosen at VT’s president??

The ranking that people are most obsessed with added "social mobility" as a factor, which is judged by Pell Grant recipient success. That's generally first generation and low income families.

The colleges are under a lot of pressure from alumni and parents to be ranked highly. Some of this might be an attempt to meet those expectations.

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Anonymous wrote:NOVA waitlisted for UVA engineering. Too bad. Just glad another school thought 3.98/4.5, 1560 was sufficient for admission. Just had to cross the Potomac...Go Terps!

Even as a UVA engineering alum if you can afford the OOS tuition at MD, your kid is better off. UVA engineering is hard to get into but the program isn't all that great.

VA engineers go to VA Tech as first choice, not UVA.

Many high-stats, high-GPA VT rejects of late are going to UVA Eschool

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if those declining/not attending are more out of state than in-state. It would be interesting to see those numbers.

I think yield would be much better if they accepted more than just 27% VA residents. The yield would be very high if more in-state kids were admitted.

I still think it sucks that VA public state universities offer so few spots to VA residents. Gotta get that OOS $$$$.

It should be more like UNC :

The 82/18 rule, mandating that no more than 18% of incoming first-year students at UNC System Schools are out-of-state, ensuring room for 82% in-state enrollment[u], was created in 1986. No changes to the policy have been made since.

“The intent was to ensure that there were enough seats for qualified North Carolina students in the public universities,” Kimberly van Noort, senior vice president for academic affairs and chief academic officer of the UNC System, said. “The public universities in North Carolina are very generously supported by the state and by taxpayer dollars and the intent was to prevent displacing qualified North Carolina students in favor of out-of-state students who might be paying higher tuition.”

And I realize a big part of the problem is that Virginia does not generously support the public universities.

Where on earth did you get that idea? The Commonwealth is pumping money in construction at GMU, JMU, CNU, etc. etc.

From the UVA tour...the amount they get from the state was miniscule.

The Commonwealth contributes less than 6%.

UVA General Fund Appropriations per In-State FTE student is significantly above the average for Virginia public 4 year colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA’s yield is nowhere near the top 25. It’s probably not even top 50. That’s still pretty good, but let’s not exaggerate. It’s one of the reasons it went back to early decision. OOS tuition is very high, and it’s competing with top private schools for OOS students. It’s a harder sell.

That’s because many high-ranking schools take half or more of their kids ED. If UVA did that, DCUM would throw a fit.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA’s yield is nowhere near the top 25. It’s probably not even top 50. That’s still pretty good, but let’s not exaggerate. It’s one of the reasons it went back to early decision. OOS tuition is very high, and it’s competing with top private schools for OOS students. It’s a harder sell.

That’s because many high-ranking schools take half or more of their kids ED. If UVA did that, DCUM would throw a fit.

No public university does this, and UVA’s filling 30% of its class ED is extremely high for a public school. The Cal system, Texas, Michigan, and UNC do not even have ED (UVA’s admissions rate compared to its public peers is artificially low for the same reason; part of the reason UVA’s admissions rate is declining is because it is simply taking more kids every year ED.)

UVA has no leverage here: it is far too dependent on oos students financially to risk upping its ED to anywhere near the 50% territory without the overall quality of its students taking a dive (oos are higher quality than in-state now, but that same quality of oos applicant is not going to ED en masse to a place like Virginia and foreclose oos public EA options — or private ED options for that matter. I mean, for 57k oos, would you?).

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Anonymous wrote:UVA’s yield is nowhere near the top 25. It’s probably not even top 50. That’s still pretty good, but let’s not exaggerate. It’s one of the reasons it went back to early decision. OOS tuition is very high, and it’s competing with top private schools for OOS students. It’s a harder sell.

That’s because many high-ranking schools take half or more of their kids ED. If UVA did that, DCUM would throw a fit.

No public university does this, and UVA’s filling 30% of its class ED is extremely high for a public school. The Cal system, Texas, Michigan, and UNC do not even have ED (UVA’s admissions rate compared to its public peers is artificially low for the same reason; part of the reason UVA’s admissions rate is declining is because it is simply taking more kids every year ED.)

UVA has no leverage here: it is far too dependent on oos students financially to risk upping its ED to anywhere near the 50% territory without the overall quality of its students taking a dive (oos are higher quality than in-state now, but that same quality of oos applicant is not going to ED en masse to a place like Virginia and foreclose oos public EA options — or private ED options for that matter. I mean, for 57k oos, would you?).

Public university ED is largely a Virginia phenomenon.

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Anonymous wrote:NOVA waitlisted for UVA engineering. Too bad. Just glad another school thought 3.98/4.5, 1560 was sufficient for admission. Just had to cross the Potomac...Go Terps!

Even as a UVA engineering alum if you can afford the OOS tuition at MD, your kid is better off. UVA engineering is hard to get into but the program isn't all that great.

VA engineers go to VA Tech as first choice, not UVA.

Many high-stats, high-GPA VT rejects of late are going to UVA Eschool

DP. You have that completely backwards... though I'm sure you're aware.

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UVa undergrad is, and has been for many decades, about 2/3rds from VA and 1/3 OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:NOVA waitlisted for UVA engineering. Too bad. Just glad another school thought 3.98/4.5, 1560 was sufficient for admission. Just had to cross the Potomac...Go Terps!

Go where?

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Can’t wait to see this board when applications soon top 90,000 without a corresponding increase in class size.