WP - "Incident" in Outdoor Classroom Overnight Field Trip

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Interestingly, a new Outdoor Lab director was just appointed.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids can't be monitored and kept safe, then these types of trips should not take place.

I’m shocked the school has overnight field trips.

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Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
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You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

No - I thought they cancelled all remaining for the year? If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be wrong!

Yes, which is perfectly reasonable, it’s not indefinitely canceled. A policy procedure review doesn’t happen overnight. 🙄

Ok, eyeroll, there's a difference between out-right cancelling for the remainder of a school year and saying they're suspended until the review is complete. The latter leaves open the possibility of resuming before the end of the year. So, if they officially suspended until review was complete, fine. But if they pre-emptively cancelled for remainder of the year, not knowing how quickly or not a review would take, that's not the same and not what I personally think they should have stated.

Distinction without a difference. The review is going to take a lot longer than from now until the end of the school year, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids can't be monitored and kept safe, then these types of trips should not take place.

I’m shocked the school has overnight field trips.

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My DC will have no overnight anything, in or out of school anytime soon. There is no way to ensure their safety in such situations.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids can't be monitored and kept safe, then these types of trips should not take place.

I’m shocked the school has overnight field trips.

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My DC will have no overnight anything, in or out of school anytime soon. There is no way to ensure their safety in such situations.

There is no way to ensure safety at any moment for our children. It is hard but keeping them in eye sight all the time is actually not helpful for them. We need to accept some risk for them to flourish. This is an agree to disagree situation I’m sure but I think parents should acknowledge that by limiting their kids constantly over fears of what might happen (things that are for the most part not likely) there are other risks to this - risks to independence, confidence, anxiety etc. that are very real.

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Anonymous wrote:If kids can't be monitored and kept safe, then these types of trips should not take place.

I’m shocked the school has overnight field trips.

+1

My DC will have no overnight anything, in or out of school anytime soon. There is no way to ensure their safety in such situations.

There is no way to ensure safety at any moment for our children. It is hard but keeping them in eye sight all the time is actually not helpful for them. We need to accept some risk for them to flourish. This is an agree to disagree situation I’m sure but I think parents should acknowledge that by limiting their kids constantly over fears of what might happen (things that are for the most part not likely) there are other risks to this - risks to independence, confidence, anxiety etc. that are very real.

Very much so. People wonder why kids have so much anxiety today? The adults are causing it by directing their own anxieties onto them and focusing on all the possible things that might happen. Kids hear enough from basic news. The adults need to help them navigate and manage, not exacerbate insecurities and fears and anxieties.

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[quote=Anonymous]People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?[/quote] y’all don’t know everything, a boy was sexually assaulted by another boy. the police was called, if it was an “inappropriate touch” then the boy would’ve told a teacher not have the police called

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?[/quote] y’all don’t know everything, a boy was sexually assaulted by another boy. the police was called, if it was an “inappropriate touch” then the boy would’ve told a teacher not have the police called [/quote]

I can’t believe we need to hash this out again, but ok. An “inappropriate touch” can constitute sexual assault and it is reported to police, because it’s an allegation of a crime.

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Does anyone know what school was involved? Some schools have resumed overnight trips, but others haven't.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what school was involved? Some schools have resumed overnight trips, but others haven't.

Oakridge

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what school was involved? Some schools have resumed overnight trips, but others haven't.

Really? At BTSN our school said that whether or not it's a two day field trip or an overnight trip depends on the county's decision.

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APS has decided that each school can choose either two day trips (on two consecutive days) or a two-day overnight.

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Our school is doing overnight. They have new tents. They fit 20 kids and will be one adult and ten kids to a tent.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is doing overnight. They have new tents. They fit 20 kids and will be one adult and ten kids to a tent.

Fits 20 kids but only putting 10 in?
I'd think it would be prudent to put 2 adults in with 15 kids.

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It’s a 1:5 ratio