WP - "Incident" in Outdoor Classroom Overnight Field Trip

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

What don’t I get? I am a fifth-grade oakridge parent, im pretty sure I get all there is to get.

The reality is that bad things happen to kids, and every parent does their own risk assessment to protect them. I don’t allow my kids to go to homes with swimming pools or guns (and yes I ask), but I am okay with the risk involved in the outdoor lab. This is a risk we all knew about before sending kids to the outdoor lab, and the level of danger for our kids hasn’t changed. We are just more afraid now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the administrators and teachers? Where is the oversight? Our teachers/chaperones used to be required to take turns staying up at night to ensure that everyone stayed in their rooms, no drinking/drug use/no unusual sounds, etc. We even escorted kids to the bathrooms.

They are in tents alone.

Wait, what? The kids have no supervision overnight? That can’t be right.

How do you envision that? This is just like any other away camp - I’m sure there is a designated person they can go to for help, which is what must have happened, and they called the police.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

[Anonymous]

Congrats parents, you've killed another great experience for your kids by overreaction. Yes, I'm sorry for those involved in the direct incident, but incidents have happened for time immeroial. Just keep your kids at home in a bubble if you're so afraid. As for mine, they'll be camping three times this summer with Outdoor Lab and Scouts. The East Coast is too sensitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

No - I thought they cancelled all remaining for the year? If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be wrong!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congrats parents, you've killed another great experience for your kids by overreaction. Yes, I'm sorry for those involved in the direct incident, but incidents have happened for time immeroial. Just keep your kids at home in a bubble if you're so afraid. As for mine, they'll be camping three times this summer with Outdoor Lab and Scouts. The East Coast is too sensitive.

+1 Kids should shut up and internalize it. That's what you meant, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

No - I thought they cancelled all remaining for the year? If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be wrong!

Yes, which is perfectly reasonable, it’s not indefinitely canceled. A policy procedure review doesn’t happen overnight. 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

Of course, they were covering their asses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

No - I thought they cancelled all remaining for the year? If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be wrong!

Yes, which is perfectly reasonable, it’s not indefinitely canceled. A policy procedure review doesn’t happen overnight. 🙄

Ok, eyeroll, there's a difference between out-right cancelling for the remainder of a school year and saying they're suspended until the review is complete. The latter leaves open the possibility of resuming before the end of the year. So, if they officially suspended until review was complete, fine. But if they pre-emptively cancelled for remainder of the year, not knowing how quickly or not a review would take, that's not the same and not what I personally think they should have stated.

[Anonymous]

I think i have mentioned it before but I am 99% sure it was Outdoor lab NOT APS that cancelled overnights. I mean maybe APS would have made the same decision, but Outdoor lab is reviewing their policies and procedures. So be mad at APS all you want, but I don't think they had much say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People. One child accused another of touching him inappropriately. We don’t know more than that so can everyone chill out?

They wouldn't have put out a letter and put a stop to these trips for an inappropriate "touch."

Of course they would. It’s APS.

Police were involved.

That doesn’t mean much. Any time you call police they are “involved.”

The responses here that support canceling the overnight bother me. It’s not like the school is forcing the kids to do it. If you don’t feel comfortable letting your kid do the overnight, that’s valid. Don’t send them. I very much wanted my child to go overnight despite the risks and now he can’t because of what frankly I see as an overreaction.

You don’t get it. the incident was severe enough for the police to be called on 10 year olds by the outdoor lab stuff.

I do get it. If a child alleges an inappropriate touch by another child, police are called.
- teacher

You're proving the point. PPs are accusing APS of being over reactive. If this was their child, they wouldn't want a review of the policies and safeguards before overnights are allowed again? I call BS.

I'm glad they reviewed the policies. I am not glad that required cancelling all overnights for the year. But I am not surprised, because this is a very APS way of handling this.

Agreed. They could have simply suspended further overnights until the review was complete then resumed with whatever changes needed if any.

That’s what they did?!

No - I thought they cancelled all remaining for the year? If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be wrong!

Yes, which is perfectly reasonable, it’s not indefinitely canceled. A policy procedure review doesn’t happen overnight. 🙄

Ok, eyeroll, there's a difference between out-right cancelling for the remainder of a school year and saying they're suspended until the review is complete. The latter leaves open the possibility of resuming before the end of the year. So, if they officially suspended until review was complete, fine. But if they pre-emptively cancelled for remainder of the year, not knowing how quickly or not a review would take, that's not the same and not what I personally think they should have stated.

You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill. There were less than a handful of trips left for the year. There was nothing left to continue after those…