HOS Salary and Teacher Pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

GDS, while capitalist, does not abide wholly by a libertarian, "free market" set of ideals. The hypocrisy is that GDS is a school that has a very clear "brand" of social justice and equity. It seems like the *board*, which has a large share of finance-type parents, has a massive blind spot in thinking critically about how the publicly available data about the salary of the HOS fails to align with the mission of the school. This is not about reducing the HOS salary to that of government employees, but about making sure that the HOS salary is consistent with the school's stated principles. It's not.
And all those arguments about how hard the job is and deserved fair compensation--that's a BS reason. There are a ton of jobs that are just as hard, if not harder, and pay does not consistently parallel the complexity of the job. But it's obvious that the GDS HOS salary is an outlier among similar positions. He's very good and should be compensated fairly, but it should be at least in line with other HOS and reflect the purpose of the school.
Also, the HOS does bear some responsibility for his pay. While he does not determine his own salary, he is in constant communication with the board and could share his views about, again, this publicly available data and how poorly it reflects on the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

GDS, while capitalist, does not abide wholly by a libertarian, "free market" set of ideals. The hypocrisy is that GDS is a school that has a very clear "brand" of social justice and equity. It seems like the *board*, which has a large share of finance-type parents, has a massive blind spot in thinking critically about how the publicly available data about the salary of the HOS fails to align with the mission of the school. This is not about reducing the HOS salary to that of government employees, but about making sure that the HOS salary is consistent with the school's stated principles. It's not.
And all those arguments about how hard the job is and deserved fair compensation--that's a BS reason. There are a ton of jobs that are just as hard, if not harder, and pay does not consistently parallel the complexity of the job. But it's obvious that the GDS HOS salary is an outlier among similar positions. He's very good and should be compensated fairly, but it should be at least in line with other HOS and reflect the purpose of the school.
Also, the HOS does bear some responsibility for his pay. While he does not determine his own salary, he is in constant communication with the board and could share his views about, again, this publicly available data and how poorly it reflects on the school.

I have never ever seen a human ask for less money/less salary. Especially in a situation where he can't get stock options/equity. The first part of your point was good, but the point you made about him being partially responsible is....against all facets of human nature.

Would you tell your boss you want to make less money because the optics look bad t your employees?

[Anonymous]

Ah, class solidarity jumping in to defend outrageous pay. Gotta love it.

[Anonymous]

There is a HUGE backlog at the IRS making 990's which by law have to be made public, public --For this reason most schools do not have current data available. The IRS is behind many years and Pro Publica wrote about this recently.

Your parents association has every right to request formally from the Board, all of the recent 990's that are not currently publicly available and the Board will have to comply by making them publicly available, as this is the only way to truly determine salaries, financial aid numbers, hidden liabilities etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

GDS, while capitalist, does not abide wholly by a libertarian, "free market" set of ideals. The hypocrisy is that GDS is a school that has a very clear "brand" of social justice and equity. It seems like the *board*, which has a large share of finance-type parents, has a massive blind spot in thinking critically about how the publicly available data about the salary of the HOS fails to align with the mission of the school. This is not about reducing the HOS salary to that of government employees, but about making sure that the HOS salary is consistent with the school's stated principles. It's not.
And all those arguments about how hard the job is and deserved fair compensation--that's a BS reason. There are a ton of jobs that are just as hard, if not harder, and pay does not consistently parallel the complexity of the job. But it's obvious that the GDS HOS salary is an outlier among similar positions. He's very good and should be compensated fairly, but it should be at least in line with other HOS and reflect the purpose of the school.
Also, the HOS does bear some responsibility for his pay. While he does not determine his own salary, he is in constant communication with the board and could share his views about, again, this publicly available data and how poorly it reflects on the school.

Options here include: not applying or transferring. No one is compelling your DC(s) to attend GDS.

Russell has been there since 2009 (10?). I've known schools with 3 HoS during that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

GDS, while capitalist, does not abide wholly by a libertarian, "free market" set of ideals. The hypocrisy is that GDS is a school that has a very clear "brand" of social justice and equity. It seems like the *board*, which has a large share of finance-type parents, has a massive blind spot in thinking critically about how the publicly available data about the salary of the HOS fails to align with the mission of the school. This is not about reducing the HOS salary to that of government employees, but about making sure that the HOS salary is consistent with the school's stated principles. It's not.
And all those arguments about how hard the job is and deserved fair compensation--that's a BS reason. There are a ton of jobs that are just as hard, if not harder, and pay does not consistently parallel the complexity of the job. But it's obvious that the GDS HOS salary is an outlier among similar positions. He's very good and should be compensated fairly, but it should be at least in line with other HOS and reflect the purpose of the school.
Also, the HOS does bear some responsibility for his pay. While he does not determine his own salary, he is in constant communication with the board and could share his views about, again, this publicly available data and how poorly it reflects on the school.

I have never ever seen a human ask for less money/less salary. Especially in a situation where he can't get stock options/equity. The first part of your point was good, but the point you made about him being partially responsible is....against all facets of human nature.

Would you tell your boss you want to make less money because the optics look bad t your employees?

HOS is the boss in partnership with the board. A number of "bosses" of colleges and universities took voluntary pay cuts during COVID--I don't know if the GDS HOS did nor not. And the whole point of social justice and equity education is to fight against "human nature" of the Hobbsean variety, no? No bullying, no trampling on weaker members of society on your way to the top, etc., etc. But, I guess the board and the HOS are all about social justice with the notable exception of executive compensation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consider that no public school Superintendent around here makes moser than $350k, but has to manage organizations far larger and more complex, plus answer to elected officials and citizens.

HOS pay is outrageous and, frankly, embarrassing.

Yes. And determined by a free market. And funded by people that earn more than them. Btw... many HoS earn more than POTUS. We could play the comparison game all day. HoS is tremendously demanding job that very few people could handle. The workload and "balls in the air" are mind-numbing.

GDS, while capitalist, does not abide wholly by a libertarian, "free market" set of ideals. The hypocrisy is that GDS is a school that has a very clear "brand" of social justice and equity. It seems like the *board*, which has a large share of finance-type parents, has a massive blind spot in thinking critically about how the publicly available data about the salary of the HOS fails to align with the mission of the school. This is not about reducing the HOS salary to that of government employees, but about making sure that the HOS salary is consistent with the school's stated principles. It's not.
And all those arguments about how hard the job is and deserved fair compensation--that's a BS reason. There are a ton of jobs that are just as hard, if not harder, and pay does not consistently parallel the complexity of the job. But it's obvious that the GDS HOS salary is an outlier among similar positions. He's very good and should be compensated fairly, but it should be at least in line with other HOS and reflect the purpose of the school.
Also, the HOS does bear some responsibility for his pay. While he does not determine his own salary, he is in constant communication with the board and could share his views about, again, this publicly available data and how poorly it reflects on the school.

Options here include: not applying or transferring. No one is compelling your DC(s) to attend GDS.

Russell has been there since 2009 (10?). I've known schools with 3 HoS during that time.

I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

Where is GDS telling families to leave?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

Where is GDS telling families to leave?

i've seen families leave over the years and #1 reason is costs and lack of financial aid covering full need. Will see another decent amount of this in coming year

I've not heard of anyone leaving for politics reasons but pretty much every parent event I go to ends up in a flavor of this topic of how the school has changed in last 3-4 years, how HOS makes so much money, and college outcomes have been so poor in last few years vs. NYC/LA peer schools

[Anonymous]

What you described sounds like families leaving of their own free will, not GDS telling them to do it.

[Anonymous]

It would be interesting to study each HOS by tenure, salary, and improvements to the school in their tenure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

Where is GDS telling families to leave?

i've seen families leave over the years and #1 reason is costs and lack of financial aid covering full need. Will see another decent amount of this in coming year

I've not heard of anyone leaving for politics reasons but pretty much every parent event I go to ends up in a flavor of this topic of how the school has changed in last 3-4 years, how HOS makes so much money, and college outcomes have been so poor in last few years vs. NYC/LA peer schools

Maybe the schools in LA and NYC that GDS views as peers aren't actually peers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

Where is GDS telling families to leave?

i've seen families leave over the years and #1 reason is costs and lack of financial aid covering full need. Will see another decent amount of this in coming year

I've not heard of anyone leaving for politics reasons but pretty much every parent event I go to ends up in a flavor of this topic of how the school has changed in last 3-4 years, how HOS makes so much money, and college outcomes have been so poor in last few years vs. NYC/LA peer schools

Financial situations change and GDS is a luxury. I don't see what families leaving due to finances has to do with GDS telling families to leave

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see families leaving because their values are conservative, but for GDS to tell families they can leave because they want equitable compensation for teachers and staff relative to their HOS is ugly.

Where is GDS telling families to leave?

i've seen families leave over the years and #1 reason is costs and lack of financial aid covering full need. Will see another decent amount of this in coming year

I've not heard of anyone leaving for politics reasons but pretty much every parent event I go to ends up in a flavor of this topic of how the school has changed in last 3-4 years, how HOS makes so much money, and college outcomes have been so poor in last few years vs. NYC/LA peer schools

Financial situations change and GDS is a luxury. I don't see what families leaving due to finances has to do with GDS telling families to leave

I don't know, lower the HOS salary, spread around the money to teachers and maybe reduce the tuition a bit.