White women try to "reclaim power" through #vanillagirl and #cleangirl beauty posts??

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering the only current household name ballerina is black, associating balletcore with whiteness seems very silly. Anyway. I don’t think any of these aesthetic trends are uniquely white. They are probably uniquely UMC, but obviously it’s not only white people who are wealthy.

Saying ballet is now well-diversified because of Missy Copeland is as absurd and false as saying rap is an even mix of Black and white performers because Eminem is a successful artist. Rap is still mostly a Black medium, and ballet is still a mostly white medium.

I’m confused. If rap is mostly black, is it a problem if ballet is mostly white?

I never said that, but thanks for playing. The point is, it’s beyond absurd to be like “ballet is diverse” because of ONE famous ballerina. Yes? Can you dispute that point? Yes or no.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

Thanks for explaining. -PP

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

It's interesting that voicing even any opposition to an argument like this (which you yourself deem "silly") is being "fragile." That's an interesting word choice because it's not the kind of word you hear assigned to any other group of people, except maybe children (and not even all children, just girls). "Don't be so fragile about it" is a pretty classic neg against white women. Along with being shrill or hysterical.

White women are accused of "playing the victim" but we are also told, that if we do so much as vocalize a defense of ourselves in the face of criticism, that we are being "fragile" or using "white tears." The stereotype of the white woman is someone who performs weakness in order to get the protection of white men, but when white women stand up for themselves (not hiding behind white men but using their own words and argument stop advocate for themselves), they are dismissed and told to sit back down.

And that is why white women get angry about this stuff. White women absolutely have to be accountable for the role they've played, and continue to play, in white supremacy. But the fixation on white women as though we run the world (we don't) is bizarre and I think speaks to a broader misogyny -- it's easier to scape goat white women for their role in white supremacy than to actually dismantle the sources of white supremacy. It's easier to make fun of a skinny 24 year old white woman on Instagram posting about her #cleanface beauty regimen than it is to actually challenge a person with real power.

Whatever, I guess I'm just being "fragile."

100%. Let’s not get distracted by Goop, as it were. Let’s focus on the big fish.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I’m a white woman and no one tells me those things (let alone constantly!!!)

Have you considered that this experience of how you feel labeled as a basic Karen may have more to do with your personality than your race?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

Thanks for explaining. -PP

Thank you for the question and the conversation. I really do appreciate it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I’m a white woman and no one tells me those things (let alone constantly!!!)

Have you considered that this experience of how you feel labeled as a basic Karen may have more to do with your personality than your race?

I’m not saying it’s necessarily me, personally. But white women (especially of a certain age) are a very easy demographic to make fun of and criticize, and that often plays out in the news, social media, pop culture, etc.

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If it’s not you, white woman, and it’s not me, white woman, which women DO feel this way? This all feels like such a vague list of offenses.

[Anonymous]

Steffi Cao is either jealous or most likely just pushes a certain narrative for her own personal gain
Don’t be gullible and take anything like that seriously
What a croc!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it’s not you, white woman, and it’s not me, white woman, which women DO feel this way? This all feels like such a vague list of offenses.

If it doesn’t resonate with you, that means it doesn’t resonate with anyone?

[Anonymous]

NP. I haven't personally been called a Karen, but the media messages about white women are pretty much exactly what PP said. I would add in media hating on anything that white teen girls are into.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I’m a white woman and no one tells me those things (let alone constantly!!!)

Have you considered that this experience of how you feel labeled as a basic Karen may have more to do with your personality than your race?

I’m not saying it’s necessarily me, personally. But white women (especially of a certain age) are a very easy demographic to make fun of and criticize, and that often plays out in the news, social media, pop culture, etc.

NP. It is possible that white woman as a demographic group have enforced racist and other deeply harmful structures and also at the same time, white women as a demographic group have been subjected to horrifying misogyny and ageism. Both can be simultaneously true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I haven't personally been called a Karen, but the media messages about white women are pretty much exactly what PP said. I would add in media hating on anything that white teen girls are into.

The media celebration of adult men mocking teen girls is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I’m a white woman and no one tells me those things (let alone constantly!!!)

Have you considered that this experience of how you feel labeled as a basic Karen may have more to do with your personality than your race?

I’m not saying it’s necessarily me, personally. But white women (especially of a certain age) are a very easy demographic to make fun of and criticize, and that often plays out in the news, social media, pop culture, etc.

NP. It is possible that white woman as a demographic group have enforced racist and other deeply harmful structures and also at the same time, white women as a demographic group have been subjected to horrifying misogyny and ageism. Both can be simultaneously true.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman of color and I find the article silly. What I guess I don't understand is the tremendous outrage it seems to have triggered here among white women. If you think it's dumb, that's fine, but what is it about this that makes white women so damn fragile about it all?

Being constantly told you’re a “Karen,” being constantly told you are not recognizing your privilege (never mind people having no idea what struggles you or your family have faced), being constantly told you’re a “basic B” or “have no culture,” being constantly told you’re not recognizing other people (again, when people don’t actually know who you are or what you’ve done), being told you’re not an ally, or not ally enough, or that your allyship is “performative,” being constantly told you are “fragile”…basically, you are never doing it right. Which is all fine and part of life and not a hard burden to bear, but it is never-ending.

I’m a white woman and no one tells me those things (let alone constantly!!!)

Have you considered that this experience of how you feel labeled as a basic Karen may have more to do with your personality than your race?

I’m not saying it’s necessarily me, personally. But white women (especially of a certain age) are a very easy demographic to make fun of and criticize, and that often plays out in the news, social media, pop culture, etc.

NP. It is possible that white woman as a demographic group have enforced racist and other deeply harmful structures and also at the same time, white women as a demographic group have been subjected to horrifying misogyny and ageism. Both can be simultaneously true.

#intersectionality