Stop Gap - Military Presence at Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children.

If Sandy Hook did not prompt us to get our house in order, nothing will. I accept the reality underwhich we live due to gun nuts. As long as at least half the population (more or less) votes R I have to fear for my children, whether it's getting shot at school or being denied needed reproductive care.

I have to find ways to cope and to work around their madness. One approach is those "safe rooms" you may have seen recently that create a bullet proof area inside the classroom. Another might be the Reserrves on site. Sad, terrible, reminds me of "third world" places I've vistied but, I'm not living in a fantasy here.

No. Don't give up. People are going out and actively voting for reproductive rights and the same can be done to support gun safety.

But it’s not going to work! Oh my god, I am so so so tired of being told that my job is to vote harder. It doesn’t work in a federal system full faith and credit, with 50 sets of rules for who gets the franchise, when the timeline we all live in law is pure tyranny of the minority and most people would not support any kind of confiscation program. Youngkin just did the imperial move of keeping people with felony convictions who have served sentences from voting, some real Jim Crow evil. North Carolina has crazily drawn districts, and so this week or last a measure to let people get some guns with no permits passed.

The one thing the GOP is excellent at is using and holding power, and securing more. Amoral acts are the lifeblood of the party, which is near fascistic. The appellate courts in general and the Supreme Court are stuffed with liars aka “originalists.” We all know this, and insisting otherwise is just lies piled on top of more lies. What we need is unprecedented and bold use of power by a President to use their AG and office of legal counsel to try and implement some kind of confiscation program and thats that. We are in a never-ending national emergency about this and we know it. But that’s not a palatable thing for most. So instead MEANINGLESS inanities about ‘don’t give up’ and ‘it’s. About. The. Guns.’ posts will have to do. Because of the inability to be serious about this at the federal level and the nature of the problem means there is no real safe enclave where you can reasonably believe the gun issue wont’ touch you one day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children.

If Sandy Hook did not prompt us to get our house in order, nothing will. I accept the reality underwhich we live due to gun nuts. As long as at least half the population (more or less) votes R I have to fear for my children, whether it's getting shot at school or being denied needed reproductive care.

I have to find ways to cope and to work around their madness. One approach is those "safe rooms" you may have seen recently that create a bullet proof area inside the classroom. Another might be the Reserrves on site. Sad, terrible, reminds me of "third world" places I've vistied but, I'm not living in a fantasy here.

Fck that. I'm not giving in. That's insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Posse commitatus

Nice try! These poster’s don’t have a clue what that means and haven spent 1 minute in the military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was pretty young when 9/11 happened but remember thinking a lot about the trade off between security and freedom back them. In light of the recent school shooting and having young children myself, I think I'm ready to take the leap to the side of security and would take some lessons from a country like Israel. If we're not going to do anything to limit access to assault weapons or it will take decades to get anything done, could we think about some stop gap measures? Why don't we provide a military presence (soldiers with assault weapons) at all schools and public spaces to protect our citizens, especially children? We do it at airports, why not other places?

I'm so sick of having to avoid public spaces and make an exit plan every time I go to the grocery store, mall, movie theater, etc. More than anything, I hate that my kids have to grow up in a country where this is going to be something they have to think about regularly.

We can talk about gun control all we want, but it's time to think of an actual interim solution with some political feasibility. I recognize my military option might not be one of them.

Israel has high gun ownership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posse commitatus

Nice try! These poster’s don’t have a clue what that means and haven spent 1 minute in the military.

Cannon fodder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children.

If Sandy Hook did not prompt us to get our house in order, nothing will. I accept the reality underwhich we live due to gun nuts. As long as at least half the population (more or less) votes R I have to fear for my children, whether it's getting shot at school or being denied needed reproductive care.

I have to find ways to cope and to work around their madness. One approach is those "safe rooms" you may have seen recently that create a bullet proof area inside the classroom. Another might be the Reserrves on site. Sad, terrible, reminds me of "third world" places I've vistied but, I'm not living in a fantasy here.

Fck that. I'm not giving in. That's insanity.

Israel does that and many jewish schools do that. Its not giving in to defend yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posse commitatus

Nice try! These poster’s don’t have a clue what that means and haven spent 1 minute in the military.

Cannon fodder.

? Is that supposed to be an insult. A non military person is suggesting military intervention (the OP).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children. My DC is a sophomore in college and grew up with active shooter drills beginning in elementary school. That is not normal, and it does not happen anywhere else in the world. I knew it was unlikely, statistically speaking, that any of her schools would get shot up, but the possibility was in my mind. That possibility is something that most parents in the world don't even have to contemplate. Then she got to college where there was actually a shooting, and while she and thousands of other students were not shooting victims, they still had to endure a 12-hour lockdown and the fear that comes with that. Again, that is not normal anywhere else in the world. Whether it's statistically likely or not to become a victim of a school shooting, the possibility of it has changed our culture and has impacted an entire generation. Don't try to minimize that.

No there isn’t. This is how some of us cope. We have to be realistic or it will break us. You’re right, it should not be normal and we should not have to live with it. But I can either worry myself to death or I can stop, take a breath, and think about reality so that I can go about my life as a functioning human being and parent who doesn’t project their anxieties onto their children.

DP. It calms my fears to put things in statistical perspective. But I also realize it’s almost a guarantee more kids will die from totally preventable shootings (whether a school shooting or the all too common adult who forgot to lock up their gun). It makes me so angry but I have no outlet for that anger. I already vote dem and donate to gun reform organizations. Telling myself, “oh but it likely won’t happen to my kid” helps me function as a parent, but it doesn’t make it any easier to lay my head on my pillow at night thinking, well at least all those dead, shot up kids aren’t mine. I guarantee we’ll wake up again someday this week and there will be another headline about a little body blown to pieces. And the republicans will say it’s not the guns that are the problem. And then what … we just have to keep living like this because half the country is ok voting for sociopaths who are in the pockets of the NRA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, you need to understand that foreign nationals, right-wing nutcases, or just outright gas-lighters sometimes post here to float ideas they want to use as propaganda or 'fear' themes.

Stop feeding the trolls please.

I promise I'm not a troll, just a concerned parent who is starting to feel desperate that we, as a country, are never going to fix this problem.

If you are an American adult, how is it you don't understand Posse Comitatus? Why do you post here? I also think you are a troll.

From Wikipedia:

In the United States, a federal statute known as the Posse Comitatus Act, enacted in 1878, forbade the use of the US Army, and through it, its offspring, the US Air Force, as a posse comitatus or for law enforcement purposes without the approval of Congress.[17] While the act does not explicitly mention the US Navy and the US Marine Corps, the US Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the act force with respect to these branches as well.[18] A directive in 2013 from the US Secretary of Defense directly addressed this issue and prohibited the use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps for domestic law enforcement

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Posse commitatus

Nice try! These poster’s don’t have a clue what that means and haven spent 1 minute in the military.

No, you don't have a clue. If you've spent a minute in the military you should have learned the huge differences between the National Guard and active duty (including reserves).

Posse Comitatus has been mentioned at least three times in this thread but no one seems to have bothered to go and LEARN about what it means.

This is especially frustrating since the Jan 6th riot and all the discussion about what the "military" did or didn't do.

Yet here we are. People are still using the term "military" in a generic sense with no damn idea how the National Guard is used and who has authority and how the active duty/reserves is used and who has authority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children.

If Sandy Hook did not prompt us to get our house in order, nothing will. I accept the reality underwhich we live due to gun nuts. As long as at least half the population (more or less) votes R I have to fear for my children, whether it's getting shot at school or being denied needed reproductive care.

I have to find ways to cope and to work around their madness. One approach is those "safe rooms" you may have seen recently that create a bullet proof area inside the classroom. Another might be the Reserrves on site. Sad, terrible, reminds me of "third world" places I've vistied but, I'm not living in a fantasy here.

Fck that. I'm not giving in. That's insanity.

Israel does that and many jewish schools do that. Its not giving in to defend yourself.

And now tell us about quality of life in freakin Israel. No murders, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children. My DC is a sophomore in college and grew up with active shooter drills beginning in elementary school. That is not normal, and it does not happen anywhere else in the world. I knew it was unlikely, statistically speaking, that any of her schools would get shot up, but the possibility was in my mind. That possibility is something that most parents in the world don't even have to contemplate. Then she got to college where there was actually a shooting, and while she and thousands of other students were not shooting victims, they still had to endure a 12-hour lockdown and the fear that comes with that. Again, that is not normal anywhere else in the world. Whether it's statistically likely or not to become a victim of a school shooting, the possibility of it has changed our culture and has impacted an entire generation. Don't try to minimize that.

No there isn’t. This is how some of us cope. We have to be realistic or it will break us. You’re right, it should not be normal and we should not have to live with it. But I can either worry myself to death or I can stop, take a breath, and think about reality so that I can go about my life as a functioning human being and parent who doesn’t project their anxieties onto their children.

DP. It calms my fears to put things in statistical perspective. But I also realize it’s almost a guarantee more kids will die from totally preventable shootings (whether a school shooting or the all too common adult who forgot to lock up their gun). It makes me so angry but I have no outlet for that anger. I already vote dem and donate to gun reform organizations. Telling myself, “oh but it likely won’t happen to my kid” helps me function as a parent, but it doesn’t make it any easier to lay my head on my pillow at night thinking, well at least all those dead, shot up kids aren’t mine. I guarantee we’ll wake up again someday this week and there will be another headline about a little body blown to pieces. And the republicans will say it’s not the guns that are the problem. And then what … we just have to keep living like this because half the country is ok voting for sociopaths who are in the pockets of the NRA?

In a nutshell, yes. We are a country built on violence with a culture that glorifies violence. Add to that our strong value of individualism above all and you have the present situation. There will have to be a cultural shift for any if this to change, and that will have to come from our children’s generation. I just don’t see an end to it any time soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posse commitatus

Nice try! These poster’s don’t have a clue what that means and haven spent 1 minute in the military.

No, you don't have a clue. If you've spent a minute in the military you should have learned the huge differences between the National Guard and active duty (including reserves).

Posse Comitatus has been mentioned at least three times in this thread but no one seems to have bothered to go and LEARN about what it means.

This is especially frustrating since the Jan 6th riot and all the discussion about what the "military" did or didn't do.

Yet here we are. People are still using the term "military" in a generic sense with no damn idea how the National Guard is used and who has authority and how the active duty/reserves is used and who has authority.

Having been in the military I do not want regular active duty, active duty reservist/natural guard or reservists/NG any where near a school with a loaded weapons.

That said how would this work? Take Virginia 2,109 elementary school and 623 high schools. Maybe a platoon at the elementary schools and a company at the high schools…maybe more because they would have to search every person entering, patrol and still have perimeter security? The units involved would have to be infantry or MP’s. So you are talking about just under 200k without support and administration just for Virginia. Virginia NG is how big?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statistically, this kind of event, while horrible, is very, very far down on the list of things any of us need to worry about or plan for. The fear you feel comes from inside your head, not from any significant danger to you or your kids.

I don't think you understand statistics.

No, this person is correct. It’s about as likely as dying by lightning strike. Now, we still warn people not to stand out in open fields during a storm, and we should still take reasonable measures to ensure that zero children die in a school shooting. But living in fear as if this is a likely occurrence is not warranted.

There is something deeply wrong with those of you that choose to normalize mass shootings of children.

If Sandy Hook did not prompt us to get our house in order, nothing will. I accept the reality underwhich we live due to gun nuts. As long as at least half the population (more or less) votes R I have to fear for my children, whether it's getting shot at school or being denied needed reproductive care.

I have to find ways to cope and to work around their madness. One approach is those "safe rooms" you may have seen recently that create a bullet proof area inside the classroom. Another might be the Reserrves on site. Sad, terrible, reminds me of "third world" places I've vistied but, I'm not living in a fantasy here.

Fck that. I'm not giving in. That's insanity.

Not "giving up" - will always vote pro choice/anti gun. But I see the world we are living in right now. And will act accordingly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, you need to understand that foreign nationals, right-wing nutcases, or just outright gas-lighters sometimes post here to float ideas they want to use as propaganda or 'fear' themes.

Stop feeding the trolls please.

I promise I'm not a troll, just a concerned parent who is starting to feel desperate that we, as a country, are never going to fix this problem.

That is not true.

I know who you are.

You and your friend are longtime grass-roots activists for well-funded gun control groups. You have been posting here on DCUM for years, lobbying for more gun control.

Stop pretending you are just some “concerned parent” who “suddenly came up with an idea.”

You are a dishonest troll; at least admit who you are.