US Department of Education coming after VDOE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The federal IDEA laws are an unfounded mandate. Every school system/ state in the US is having trouble meeting the requirements due to lack of money and staffing. The allowed conditions have increased, as well as parent interest inflation getting their kids assessed. Since we have a lot more kids born to older parents autism and other conditions are more common. Add to that the increase in poverty and single mothers means there can often be more developmental and educational delays.

So we’ve moved on from the UMC canard and now we’re on to poor people. Poverty does not cause intellectual or learning disabilities.

Students undergo extensive testing to rule out other factors that might associated with delays but are not a disability. But we are getting better at identifying kids, particularly those with learning disabilities. And some learning Disabilities are more common than most people realize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The “article” on that website is a mess and poorly written. Just read the DIMOE letter.

I’m no Youngkin fan or defender, but a lot of these issues in FCPS predate his administration. Also, plenty of VA school have been using COVID relief funds for tutoring.

Parent from Loudoun here. We were fighting with VDOE well before anyone knew Youngkin. We had Special Ed staff who routinely called cps on parents who complained when their children were abused with seclusion and restraint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Maybe if public schools didn't treat special education like a leper colony and then waste big $$$ on lawyers to fight parents then they'd be less likely to have the feds breathing down their neck.

This!

Parents of neurotypical children have no idea how much money the school systems spend on very expensive lawyers - they don't bother with reasonably priced lawyers, to fight trivial issues.

You would not believe how the school system fought us on a simple accommodation for my child that cost nothing and required few resources. It was a standard accommodation that had been recommended every year by every school for my kid. We complained when kid did not get services one year and the school tried to hide it but ended up giving us compensatory tiem and the special ed teacher decided to become vindictive and tried to take away the few accommodations my kid had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Stay out of this conversation. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, this will become a big deal and blamed on Youngkin, when it was a problem not addressed by Northam due to the lead time associated with the investigation.

This is what you care about? Who gets blamed for it?

Yes, until people finally understand the the problem with public education is democratic leadership on the teacher’s union payroll carrying out the poor educational policies driven by the unions, all students, but especially special needs students will suffer.

What a bunch of useless word salad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are still a union no matter how many times you yell "MAGA!".

I do live in VA and I see the power they have. And good for them because teachers are treated like garbage by my school district.

Not pp. Hogwash. They have no power.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Maybe if public schools didn't treat special education like a leper colony and then waste big $$$ on lawyers to fight parents then they'd be less likely to have the feds breathing down their neck.

The lawyers are cheaper than meeting an impossible federal mandate. Maybe if every UMC parent whose kid can't behave didn't rush out and get a diagnosis and an IEP the resources available could go to the kids who need them

What a lie. Most every parent I know has had this thrown at them and it is a disgusting sentiment.

[Anonymous]

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Looks like based on complaints filed by parents and advocates for Fairfax County the US Dept.Education has found VDOE to be in non-compliance with special education and how they handled COVID for all students. Now they plan to look at all Virginia schools and not just FCPS. I say they will discover more compliance issues when they start digging. Now it makes sense why Youngkin is giving funds for tutoring for COVID learing loss. It will be interesting when they also go after schools for miss use of COVID relief funds like building additions and virtual learing school academy
( APS) vs. direct support to all students.



https://specialeducationaction.com/u-s-dept-of-education-puts-virginia-on-notice-get-into-compliance-or-face-sanctions/

lol, the DoE only cares about one subset of students. They could care less about students without IEPs, if anything they are requiring FCPS to give them an even bigger piece of the pie.

100% correct, the habitually violent kids allowed to terrorize everyone else... Thank DoE for that. And administrators and school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The federal IDEA laws are an unfounded mandate. Every school system/ state in the US is having trouble meeting the requirements due to lack of money and staffing. The allowed conditions have increased, as well as parent interest inflation getting their kids assessed. Since we have a lot more kids born to older parents autism and other conditions are more common. Add to that the increase in poverty and single mothers means there can often be more developmental and educational delays.

No, you did not...

The absolute ignorance here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Looks like based on complaints filed by parents and advocates for Fairfax County the US Dept.Education has found VDOE to be in non-compliance with special education and how they handled COVID for all students. Now they plan to look at all Virginia schools and not just FCPS. I say they will discover more compliance issues when they start digging. Now it makes sense why Youngkin is giving funds for tutoring for COVID learing loss. It will be interesting when they also go after schools for miss use of COVID relief funds like building additions and virtual learing school academy
( APS) vs. direct support to all students.



https://specialeducationaction.com/u-s-dept-of-education-puts-virginia-on-notice-get-into-compliance-or-face-sanctions/

lol, the DoE only cares about one subset of students. They could care less about students without IEPs, if anything they are requiring FCPS to give them an even bigger piece of the pie.

100% correct, the habitually violent kids allowed to terrorize everyone else... Thank DoE for that. And administrators and school board.

Here she is. It's the crazy lady who loves to hate on children with disabilities and refer to them as chair throwers. You are vile and ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Maybe if public schools didn't treat special education like a leper colony and then waste big $$$ on lawyers to fight parents then they'd be less likely to have the feds breathing down their neck.

The lawyers are cheaper than meeting an impossible federal mandate. Maybe if every UMC parent whose kid can't behave didn't rush out and get a diagnosis and an IEP the resources available could go to the kids who need them

What a lie. Most every parent I know has had this thrown at them and it is a disgusting sentiment.

When Kennedy Krieger can make good money selling evaluations for 5k that most insurance won't touch, it's UMC parents making sure their kid can suck up as much resources as possible

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Stay out of this conversation. You have no idea what you are talking about.

DP here and not a Republican. I also think if things continue on their current path, public schools will simply be for pIEP and anyone who can’t scrape together money for private. Ignore the issue at your peril.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, this will become a big deal and blamed on Youngkin, when it was a problem not addressed by Northam due to the lead time associated with the investigation.

This is what you care about? Who gets blamed for it?

Yes, until people finally understand the the problem with public education is democratic leadership on the teacher’s union payroll carrying out the poor educational policies driven by the unions, all students, but especially special needs students will suffer.

The problem is a federal law that promises services that no school district can provide. When 15% of kids have IEPs, schools can not actually comply with federal law and provide a semblance of an education to the rest of students.

No you have this backwards. They are not providing a semblance of an education to the 15% with disabilities. The 85% non disabled get a much better education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The federal IDEA laws are an unfounded mandate. Every school system/ state in the US is having trouble meeting the requirements due to lack of money and staffing. The allowed conditions have increased, as well as parent interest inflation getting their kids assessed. Since we have a lot more kids born to older parents autism and other conditions are more common. Add to that the increase in poverty and single mothers means there can often be more developmental and educational delays.

So we’ve moved on from the UMC canard and now we’re on to poor people. Poverty does not cause intellectual or learning disabilities.

Students undergo extensive testing to rule out other factors that might associated with delays but are not a disability. But we are getting better at identifying kids, particularly those with learning disabilities. And some learning Disabilities are more common than most people realize.

+1

Ditto to everything you said, but the PP lost me at "unfounded mandate."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Special ed is going to bleed public schools dry until the Rs get their way and we all go to religious private schools.

Maybe if public schools didn't treat special education like a leper colony and then waste big $$$ on lawyers to fight parents then they'd be less likely to have the feds breathing down their neck.

The lawyers are cheaper than meeting an impossible federal mandate. Maybe if every UMC parent whose kid can't behave didn't rush out and get a diagnosis and an IEP the resources available could go to the kids who need them

What a lie. Most every parent I know has had this thrown at them and it is a disgusting sentiment.

When Kennedy Krieger can make good money selling evaluations for 5k that most insurance won't touch, it's UMC parents making sure their kid can suck up as much resources as possible

What an ignorant comment. Schools have no requirement to accept an outside diagnosis. Zip. Zero. Nada. Don't care how much a parent spent to get it. Also are you really suggesting that Kennedy Krieger sells phony evaluations? There are lots of good reasons to get a private diagnosis. Getting one to get a kid a phony evaluation in the hopes of getting something from the system is not one of them.