Consequences of LCPS teacher resigning mid-year when under contract?

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Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.

Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.

Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.

Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.

I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but OP’s brother will be just fine and will have his pick of teaching jobs in the current market. “Recommendations?” LOL. “Oh, you’re interested, you have experience, you’re not a complete loon in the interview and you have no felony record. Oh, and you can start immediately? You’re hired.”

I’m a teacher. Resigning with prejudice is stupid, if he wants to come back to the profession. Most districts will weed him out before her ever gets to the school level. But maybe this isn’t the profession for him?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.

Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.

Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.

Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.

I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but OP’s brother will be just fine and will have his pick of teaching jobs in the current market. “Recommendations?” LOL. “Oh, you’re interested, you have experience, you’re not a complete loon in the interview and you have no felony record. Oh, and you can start immediately? You’re hired.”

I’m a teacher. Resigning with prejudice is stupid, if he wants to come back to the profession. Most districts will weed him out before her ever gets to the school level. But maybe this isn’t the profession for him?

are you at a school with no openings? If not ask your admin how many people have applied for any you might have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.

Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.

Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.

Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.

I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but OP’s brother will be just fine and will have his pick of teaching jobs in the current market. “Recommendations?” LOL. “Oh, you’re interested, you have experience, you’re not a complete loon in the interview and you have no felony record. Oh, and you can start immediately? You’re hired.”

I’m a teacher. Resigning with prejudice is stupid, if he wants to come back to the profession. Most districts will weed him out before her ever gets to the school level. But maybe this isn’t the profession for him?

He’ll definitely be hired at our school. We are desperate for teachers! The days of “resigning with prejudice” are long over.

We’ve had multiple teachers leave, several for other schools. Leaving mid year didn’t stop them from getting hired in other schools.

Want to keep teachers? It’s time to start treating them better.

[Anonymous]

So the folks saying this won’t hurt him if he needs to find a new job are implying any warm body can be hired as a teacher nowadays. Good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the folks saying this won’t hurt him if he needs to find a new job are implying any warm body can be hired as a teacher nowadays. Good to know.

Yes, please apply. We’re desperate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He won’t be able to teach in LCPS again or sister counties nearby like FCPS. His license with DOE may also be in jeopardy, especially as he’s a new teacher already violating contract mid year. All in all, this is a really bad move if he ever wants or needs to teach in Virginia again. To the degree that when teachers do this, we know it means they’re leaving TEACHING, not just the school, because it has such a negative impact on your career. His best bet is gut it out the next <4 months and apply to other schools now during the licensed transfer process which is open through Friday.

-LCPS teacher

This isn't necessarily true. I left a teaching job in November (I didn't like the school/admin) and immediately got a job in a neighboring county. There were zero consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your brother’s a selfish ass.

No, you, and the other entities parents, are asses. It’s a job. He isn’t a slave and he didn’t enlist in the military.

Not OP

Learn the difference between "can" and "should". One shouldn't make their own happiness the deciding factor in every decision they make.

You aren’t the arbiter of “should.” It’s a job. He’ll quit. Deal with it.

Then I still contend that he's a selfish ass. You haven't made the case he's not.

Selfish for leaving a job he hates? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He won’t be able to teach in LCPS again or sister counties nearby like FCPS. His license with DOE may also be in jeopardy, especially as he’s a new teacher already violating contract mid year. All in all, this is a really bad move if he ever wants or needs to teach in Virginia again. To the degree that when teachers do this, we know it means they’re leaving TEACHING, not just the school, because it has such a negative impact on your career. His best bet is gut it out the next <4 months and apply to other schools now during the licensed transfer process which is open through Friday.

-LCPS teacher

This isn't necessarily true. I left a teaching job in November (I didn't like the school/admin) and immediately got a job in a neighboring county. There were zero consequences.

Was this a public to public transfer (LCPS employee to FCPS/APS employee) because that is HIGHLY unusual if so. They have reciprocity agreements that they will NOT hire a sister county teacher after a certain date specifically to prevent mid-year vacancies being created by an LCPS teacher bouncing to an open FCPS position or whatever. If you went private to private or even public to private that is different because privates don’t require VDOE licensure.

[Anonymous]

Schools are desperate. Many teachers are leaving mid-year all over the country (bad administration, no consequences for kids, to much non-teaching work, parents not parenting, parents blaming teachers for everything, I could go on and on). Teachers are burnt out everywhere, and this is a national crisis.

OP, your brother will be fine - no one should ever stay at a job where they are miserable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This will kill his career. It’s not worth it. Tell him to stick the year out.

Nope. It’s not 2019 anymore. His career will be just fine.

Yep, absolute worst case he won’t teach in Loudoun again for 3 years. Any other district likely doesn’t care.

Yeah, good luck with getting recommendations.

I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but OP’s brother will be just fine and will have his pick of teaching jobs in the current market. “Recommendations?” LOL. “Oh, you’re interested, you have experience, you’re not a complete loon in the interview and you have no felony record. Oh, and you can start immediately? You’re hired.”

I’m a teacher. Resigning with prejudice is stupid, if he wants to come back to the profession. Most districts will weed him out before her ever gets to the school level. But maybe this isn’t the profession for him?

oh, stop with the “it’s not for everyone” gatekeeping crap. It’s about to be a profession for nobody.

[Anonymous]

I’m a teacher. Resigning with prejudice is stupid, if he wants to come back to the profession. Most districts will weed him out before her ever gets to the school level. But maybe this isn’t the profession for him?

This used to be true, but there is such a dearth of applicants now that districts will give almost anyone a second chance. Personally I think it’s really bad form to leave your class halfway through the year, but professionally now the consequences will be minimal.

[Anonymous]

I think that they threaten to revoke license or even financial penalties but at the end of the day, they can't force him to stay nor should they. He needs to do what is best for himself, just like everyone else does. Unfortunately sometimes it does not line up to stay through the end of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He won’t be able to teach in LCPS again or sister counties nearby like FCPS. His license with DOE may also be in jeopardy, especially as he’s a new teacher already violating contract mid year. All in all, this is a really bad move if he ever wants or needs to teach in Virginia again. To the degree that when teachers do this, we know it means they’re leaving TEACHING, not just the school, because it has such a negative impact on your career. His best bet is gut it out the next <4 months and apply to other schools now during the licensed transfer process which is open through Friday.

-LCPS teacher

This isn't necessarily true. I left a teaching job in November (I didn't like the school/admin) and immediately got a job in a neighboring county. There were zero consequences.

Was this a public to public transfer (LCPS employee to FCPS/APS employee) because that is HIGHLY unusual if so. They have reciprocity agreements that they will NOT hire a sister county teacher after a certain date specifically to prevent mid-year vacancies being created by an LCPS teacher bouncing to an open FCPS position or whatever. If you went private to private or even public to private that is different because privates don’t require VDOE licensure.

It was public to public, but the difference was that I quit one (gave it a couple weeks for the holidays) then applied and got hired for the other. 1st application/interview and I was hired a couple hours later. I’ve been teaching for over 20 years. They asked me about my last job. I explained the work environment. They sympathized with me and hired me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He won’t be able to teach in LCPS again or sister counties nearby like FCPS. His license with DOE may also be in jeopardy, especially as he’s a new teacher already violating contract mid year. All in all, this is a really bad move if he ever wants or needs to teach in Virginia again. To the degree that when teachers do this, we know it means they’re leaving TEACHING, not just the school, because it has such a negative impact on your career. His best bet is gut it out the next <4 months and apply to other schools now during the licensed transfer process which is open through Friday.

-LCPS teacher

This isn't necessarily true. I left a teaching job in November (I didn't like the school/admin) and immediately got a job in a neighboring county. There were zero consequences.

Was this a public to public transfer (LCPS employee to FCPS/APS employee) because that is HIGHLY unusual if so. They have reciprocity agreements that they will NOT hire a sister county teacher after a certain date specifically to prevent mid-year vacancies being created by an LCPS teacher bouncing to an open FCPS position or whatever. If you went private to private or even public to private that is different because privates don’t require VDOE licensure.

It was public to public, but the difference was that I quit one (gave it a couple weeks for the holidays) then applied and got hired for the other. 1st application/interview and I was hired a couple hours later. I’ve been teaching for over 20 years. They asked me about my last job. I explained the work environment. They sympathized with me and hired me.

Interesting. Probably a sign of how few available teachers there are to take these spots because you and I both know in the past you wouldn’t have been able to do this . Even quitting mid year used to put your license in jeopardy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that they threaten to revoke license or even financial penalties but at the end of the day, they can't force him to stay nor should they. He needs to do what is best for himself, just like everyone else does. Unfortunately sometimes it does not line up to stay through the end of the year.

A labor attorney told me a year ago that they can threaten all they want but unless I had something on my record prior to quitting, they’d have little chance of being successful pursuing a revocation. That district would probably never hire me again, but if they tried to tell another district anything beyond my dates of employment, they’d be on the end of a lawsuit.