Kids took IQ test in AP Psych class.

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Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s AP Psych test, the kids took an IQ test and received their scores today. I think this was totally inappropriate for the teacher to do.
To be fair, the kids didn’t have to take the test, and they were given the option to see their score - but still, they’re teens and probably couldn’t really appreciate how receiving a low score could play a number with their self image.
Do you think this was an appropriate assignment for an AP Psych class?

Did it give context to the score? My DS took an IQ test when he had neuropsych testing done (he was 16 at the time). I went over the results with him and he had no idea what an IQ score of 102 meant. He thought 100 was perfect so therefore he was better than perfect. Lol!

Yes, it gave context. My daughter actually texted me that she has a superior IQ. That’s how I found out about it.

Then I wouldn’t worry

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

Why do you think it’s insulting? It’s showing the importance of test design and context.

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Anonymous wrote:You put your child into a class with college expectations - you live with it.

I'm a professor of school psychology. In other words, I make my living by teaching people (graduate students) how to administer, score, and interpret IQ tests. Among other duties, of course.

No, taking an online "IQ" test is not a "college expectation." Not even close. That would absolutely not fly in any halfway reputable college psychology program.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they teach them about the test tasks, how the sub scores are calculated, and what the aggregate scores mean?

I suppose all of that was taught, I don’t see how it could be an official IQ since the kids scored it themselves, but I fail to see what good it gives to let 16-17 years olds know what their IQ is.

Seriously?

Wow. I'll never understand the type that deliberately avoids self-knowledge. My kid had his first full neuropsych at 10. It took 8 hours over 2 days. We explained exactly what was going on, and he read his report with us. It brought great relief to him, since he expressed he was different starting at 4 years old. He found out that he was twice exceptional - high IQ with learning disabilities - and all of a sudden, his life made a lot more sense to him.

It's very important to respect children and trust their intelligence and judgement, OP, and give them the tools to know themselves so they can grow and self-advocate. Your 16-17 year old will go to college soon, she's old enough to drive, she'll live without you. Surely she can know, ballpark, what her IQ is.

Your son got a high IQ. You really can’t see how it would be harmful for a 16 year old to get a score that tells them that they are not suited for any job beyond general clerical?

And they are 16, and have no idea otherwise? Never been graded, never wrote a standardized test?

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Anonymous wrote:I had both my kids tested when they were young (initially because my daughter was told she needed to skip kindergarten). Both had solid scores but one was ten points higher than the other. I saw no reason for one child to feel lesser than the other. Now, one is in college. I finally told her her score over winter break when she brought it up. I asked that she not mention the score to her sister. They really wouldn't care at this point and no one would be surprised by the different scores but I wouldn't have wanted them to compare each other when they were younger. I am glad I was able to dole out the information when I felt it was appropriate.

AP psychology is a college level class.

Ok, and?

I really don’t think it’s appropriate for college students to do either. One can go over test questions or even assess results taken by others without doing something that can potentially ruin their own self-image.

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Anonymous wrote:Did they teach them about the test tasks, how the sub scores are calculated, and what the aggregate scores mean?

I suppose all of that was taught, I don’t see how it could be an official IQ since the kids scored it themselves, but I fail to see what good it gives to let 16-17 years olds know what their IQ is.

Seriously?

Wow. I'll never understand the type that deliberately avoids self-knowledge. My kid had his first full neuropsych at 10. It took 8 hours over 2 days. We explained exactly what was going on, and he read his report with us. It brought great relief to him, since he expressed he was different starting at 4 years old. He found out that he was twice exceptional - high IQ with learning disabilities - and all of a sudden, his life made a lot more sense to him.

It's very important to respect children and trust their intelligence and judgement, OP, and give them the tools to know themselves so they can grow and self-advocate. Your 16-17 year old will go to college soon, she's old enough to drive, she'll live without you. Surely she can know, ballpark, what her IQ is.

Your son got a high IQ. You really can’t see how it would be harmful for a 16 year old to get a score that tells them that they are not suited for any job beyond general clerical?

And they are 16, and have no idea otherwise? Never been graded, never wrote a standardized test?

Are people really this clueless about what IQ measures?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In my daughter’s AP Psych test, the kids took an IQ test and received their scores today. I think this was totally inappropriate for the teacher to do.
To be fair, the kids didn’t have to take the test, and they were given the option to see their score - but still, they’re teens and probably couldn’t really appreciate how receiving a low score could play a number with their self image.
Do you think this was an appropriate assignment for an AP Psych class?

Did it give context to the score? My DS took an IQ test when he had neuropsych testing done (he was 16 at the time). I went over the results with him and he had no idea what an IQ score of 102 meant. He thought 100 was perfect so therefore he was better than perfect. Lol!

Yes, it gave context. My daughter actually texted me that she has a superior IQ. That’s how I found out about it.

Then I wouldn’t worry

Ok, and what about the other kids? Just because my daughter did well, doesn’t mean I can’t see how it’s an inappropriate activity.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn't a legitimate IQ test. There aren't many that can be group administered, the teacher would have to be a licensed or credentialed psychologist, they aren't free, and parents would have to give consent/be notified.

Your child took an approximation of an IQ test for fun, which is completely appropriate for an AP psych class.

-Signed School Psychologist

This.

The teacher should have explained this (or did?) so that the students would understand that the results of this sort of test in that environment are not reliable.

Also, sharing results of such an assessment at school where scores will be known to other kids is not appropriate, esp without the context given above.

It has nothing to do with not wanting the kid to know their IQ. It’s simply not reliable.

This is my problem with the activity. If the teacher didn't explain that the "IQ test" (heavy emphasis on the quotation marks) the students took isn't a reliable or valid measure of intelligence (and it sounds like she didn't, if OP's daughter came home talking about her "superior intelligence") then she is a crappy teacher who shouldn't be teaching AP Psychology.

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Anonymous wrote:I had both my kids tested when they were young (initially because my daughter was told she needed to skip kindergarten). Both had solid scores but one was ten points higher than the other. I saw no reason for one child to feel lesser than the other. Now, one is in college. I finally told her her score over winter break when she brought it up. I asked that she not mention the score to her sister. They really wouldn't care at this point and no one would be surprised by the different scores but I wouldn't have wanted them to compare each other when they were younger. I am glad I was able to dole out the information when I felt it was appropriate.

AP psychology is a college level class.

Ok, and?

I really don’t think it’s appropriate for college students to do either. One can go over test questions or even assess results taken by others without doing something that can potentially ruin their own self-image.

I’d say that it’s not good, dangerous even, for psychologists to have such a wildly inaccurate self image.

If someone has such an inflated view of themselves that taking an IQ test would shatter them then they really have no business being in the field of psychology.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

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Anonymous wrote:I had both my kids tested when they were young (initially because my daughter was told she needed to skip kindergarten). Both had solid scores but one was ten points higher than the other. I saw no reason for one child to feel lesser than the other. Now, one is in college. I finally told her her score over winter break when she brought it up. I asked that she not mention the score to her sister. They really wouldn't care at this point and no one would be surprised by the different scores but I wouldn't have wanted them to compare each other when they were younger. I am glad I was able to dole out the information when I felt it was appropriate.

AP psychology is a college level class.

Ok, and?

I really don’t think it’s appropriate for college students to do either. One can go over test questions or even assess results taken by others without doing something that can potentially ruin their own self-image.

I’d say that it’s not good, dangerous even, for psychologists to have such a wildly inaccurate self image.

If someone has such an inflated view of themselves that taking an IQ test would shatter them then they really have no business being in the field of psychology.

LOL! I don't think you know many psychologists.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

Not sure you can say that as a fact. They're banned in California for black children, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

Not sure you can say that as a fact. They're banned in California for black children, for example.

Look at the label of everything you buy. It's all banned or causes cancer in California.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

Not sure you can say that as a fact. They're banned in California for black children, for example.

Look at the label of everything you buy. It's all banned or causes cancer in California.

LOL that is actually extremely accurate!