Kids took IQ test in AP Psych class.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

Not sure you can say that as a fact. They're banned in California for black children, for example.

And the people making those laws have no idea about test design. They only want to look at outcomes and assume that all differences are racism.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

Not sure you can say that as a fact. They're banned in California for black children, for example.

And the people making those laws have no idea about test design. They only want to look at outcomes and assume that all differences are racism.

What is your background?

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Anonymous wrote:Did they teach them about the test tasks, how the sub scores are calculated, and what the aggregate scores mean?

I suppose all of that was taught, I don’t see how it could be an official IQ since the kids scored it themselves, but I fail to see what good it gives to let 16-17 years olds know what their IQ is.

I agree. I know my teen isn't ready to know his score.

Time to land the helicopter.

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Anonymous wrote:It wasn't a legitimate IQ test. There aren't many that can be group administered, the teacher would have to be a licensed or credentialed psychologist, they aren't free, and parents would have to give consent/be notified.

Your child took an approximation of an IQ test for fun, which is completely appropriate for an AP psych class.

-Signed School Psychologist

I agree. I know it can’t be an official IQ test but in any event it was billed as such and was given after learning all about IQ and it’s significance.
Interestingly enough her score was a 122 which is the exact score she received in second grade when she was administered a full scale IQ test by a psychologist.

I'd put a correction here: Your daughter reported to you it was billed as such--you don't actually know how it was framed in the course. More likely: they study IQ testing (appropriate for AP) and then take a sample test that I'm pretty sure was contextualized by the teacher as not the same as a legitimate IQ test (if nothing else, by the AP psych course they would find out that you need to be licensed to administer it). It's a way to learn about test items. In addition, AP Psych offers legitimate critiques about issues with IQ testing etc. so they know it's not actually a measure of their "intelligence" in an absolute way. Your kid got a "good" score so she's happy and reports it as 'legitimate' a kid who got a low score would likely talk about how it's not a real IQ test etc.

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Anonymous wrote:In my high school psychology class, we talked about the limitations of IQ tests and their biases. This was in a small, midwestern, almost entirely white town in the 1990s. Our teacher first had us take an IQ test designed for a rural, Black population in the South in the early 20th century. It had questions like, “How long do you cook chittlins?” We all scored very low IQs because we were familiar with the references. They we took a more familiar sample IQ test, and across the board, we all had higher IQs. It was a valuable lesson. The point wasn’t to learn our actual IQs.

I hope the kids in OP’s child’s class very given some perspective on IQ tests not being the measure of a person’s worth.

That's really insulting.

The point of the lesson was to show bias in standardized testing. Having students experience it for themselves will drive the point home more than merely saying, “there’s bias and it affects people who aren’t you.” Would you like to share more about how you find that insulting?

Not that poster, but it's important to note that the fact that IQ tests *were* biased against black people doesn't mean that they *are* biased, and if the person sharing the story didn't notice that, then it's an error on the part of their teacher. It's like saying the textile industry in the US is immoral because they used to employ women and children in unsafe environments

You honestly believe that modern IQ tests are completely unbiased? It's been scientifically demonstrated that many factors can introduce bias into test results. Even something as simple as asking the test taker's race, gender, or disability status before administering the test biases the results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wasn't a legitimate IQ test. There aren't many that can be group administered, the teacher would have to be a licensed or credentialed psychologist, they aren't free, and parents would have to give consent/be notified.

Your child took an approximation of an IQ test for fun, which is completely appropriate for an AP psych class.

-Signed School Psychologist

This. A full, legit IQ test isn’t just paper and pencil. It has 1:1 components that require timing and cinterpretation. Your kid must have take the “free internet” type of IQ test.