Hospital gave FIL Narcan after administering too many pain meds...

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Anonymous wrote:Naloxone is used to reverse intended or unintended effects of opioids, not just overdoses, such as during sedation. It’s not a big deal.

Agree. It doesn’t mean the hospital was negligent. Sometimes older people are especially sensitive to the effects of opioids. This is why they take vital signs frequently in the hospital and probably saw that his respirations became too depressed. This can happen even if the nurses didn’t make an error and gave the prescribed dose (which was within acceptable parameters).

We don’t know what happened. All I am saying of giving narcan doesn’t necessarily mean anyone made an error

We can see here how drugging people is a crap shoot. They guess what might be the right drug, and then the right amount. How is this constant guessing game considered science?

Because there are always individual variations. There can be research based best practices for how much to give depending on age and weight, but individuals may always respond differently, metabolize faster or slower.

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Anonymous wrote:The great news about Narcan is that it has ZERO side effects. You could give someone you *think* OD'd Narcan and even if they didn't have any drugs at all in their system, they'd be fine. I'm glad your dad is OK.

Yes. All I can say is three cheers for Narcan!

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Anonymous wrote:Naloxone is used to reverse intended or unintended effects of opioids, not just overdoses, such as during sedation. It’s not a big deal.

+1. It does not mean they stopped breathing. Narcan reverses the effects of opioids. It does not have to be an overdose. And certain risk factors (poor renal function, age, being opioid naive) can increase chances of adverse effects.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is a doctor, and is mortally afraid of medical errors. He says they are extremely common and rarely reported. There is almost always a cover up.

I am a nurse and yes, this is true. And honestly, there is a lot more cover up when the mistake is done by the physician. Us nurses are a dime a dozen in the hospitals' eyes... but physicians, not so much. Nurses joke about which physicians we would avoid bc we see the mishaps (that most often get dealt with efficiently and effectively so no harm comes to the patient). Also-I cannot emphasize this enough-but nurse to patient ratios are a big deal. When nurses have too many patients, things fall through the cracks. I wish hospitals would advertise their ratios to patients.

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It's sometimes given in recovery if patients are not waking and responding to stimuli. How did you find out?

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Surprising. Usually they are restrictive with pain meds.

I'm not naturally one to resort to suing but yeah I would in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprising. Usually they are restrictive with pain meds.

I'm not naturally one to resort to suing but yeah I would in this case.

Agree 100%.

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Johns Hopkins University says “Avoidable Medical Errors” are the third leading cause of death (greater than 250,000 per year) after heart disease and cancer.

“The CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics FAILS to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate.”


Yikes!!!!!

Take that with a huge grain of salt.
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(16)30705-7/fulltext

Agree.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-health/medical-error-not-third-leading-cause-death

In general, medical treatment carries risk. You can have cancer and require surgery which carries known risks including bloodclot, infection, etc., but not having surgery would also mean certain death. If you get in a MVA and require intubation, you can end up with ventilator acquired pneumonia. If you require a central line, you can end up with a central line associated bloodstream infection which could make you septic. If you require a pace maker, you could end up with endocarditis that kills you, but not having the pace maker might kill you faster. If you require a urinary catheter because you can't pee and have a retention issue, you can end up with a UTI that makes you septic, but not having the catheter would also have a detrimental outcomes. If you are already frail and seriously ill, you require major medical care and each intervention carries risk.

Looks like doc's are closing ranks. Might be worse than LAPD in the 80's

I used to think our health care system was great, but that ended when I was hospitalized with a life threatening illness. A doctor basically saved my ass when he wouldn't accept the findings of two other doctors. They're human, not miracle workers.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband is a doctor, and is mortally afraid of medical errors. He says they are extremely common and rarely reported. There is almost always a cover up.

I am a nurse and yes, this is true. And honestly, there is a lot more cover up when the mistake is done by the physician. Us nurses are a dime a dozen in the hospitals' eyes... but physicians, not so much. Nurses joke about which physicians we would avoid bc we see the mishaps (that most often get dealt with efficiently and effectively so no harm comes to the patient). Also-I cannot emphasize this enough-but nurse to patient ratios are a big deal. When nurses have too many patients, things fall through the cracks. I wish hospitals would advertise their ratios to patients.

Good idea for consumers to demand hospital stats about nurse/patient ratios. I remember when women needed to choose an obstetrician. You would first ask their percentage of cesarean surgeries. Details matter. Your life can depend on it.

Hospital mistakes are the third leading cause of death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Surprising. Usually they are restrictive with pain meds.

I'm not naturally one to resort to suing but yeah I would in this case.

Agree 100%.

You can’t sue if you have no damages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is a doctor, and is mortally afraid of medical errors. He says they are extremely common and rarely reported. There is almost always a cover up.

I am a nurse and yes, this is true. And honestly, there is a lot more cover up when the mistake is done by the physician. Us nurses are a dime a dozen in the hospitals' eyes... but physicians, not so much. Nurses joke about which physicians we would avoid bc we see the mishaps (that most often get dealt with efficiently and effectively so no harm comes to the patient). Also-I cannot emphasize this enough-but nurse to patient ratios are a big deal. When nurses have too many patients, things fall through the cracks. I wish hospitals would advertise their ratios to patients.

Good idea for consumers to demand hospital stats about nurse/patient ratios. I remember when women needed to choose an obstetrician. You would first ask their percentage of cesarean surgeries. Details matter. Your life can depend on it.

Hospital mistakes are the third leading cause of death.

And when those women would ask about c-section rates and make decisions based on that statistic, they were showing how little they understood about the practice of medicine. If an OB has a higher c-section rate because they are known for being exceptionally skilled with higher-risk pregnancies and get a lot of referrals for them, do you really want to avoid that OB simply because high-risk pregnancies are more likely to result in c-sections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is a doctor, and is mortally afraid of medical errors. He says they are extremely common and rarely reported. There is almost always a cover up.

I am a nurse and yes, this is true. And honestly, there is a lot more cover up when the mistake is done by the physician. Us nurses are a dime a dozen in the hospitals' eyes... but physicians, not so much. Nurses joke about which physicians we would avoid bc we see the mishaps (that most often get dealt with efficiently and effectively so no harm comes to the patient). Also-I cannot emphasize this enough-but nurse to patient ratios are a big deal. When nurses have too many patients, things fall through the cracks. I wish hospitals would advertise their ratios to patients.

Good idea for consumers to demand hospital stats about nurse/patient ratios. I remember when women needed to choose an obstetrician. You would first ask their percentage of cesarean surgeries. Details matter. Your life can depend on it.

Hospital mistakes are the third leading cause of death.

No. They aren’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Well that means he stopped breathing

No it doesn’t. It means he was showing signs of drug intoxication - difficult to rouse, slow respirations or heartbeat, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Johns Hopkins University says “Avoidable Medical Errors” are the third leading cause of death (greater than 250,000 per year) after heart disease and cancer.

“The CDC’s way of collecting national health statistics FAILS to classify medical errors separately on the death certificate.”


Yikes!!!!!

This is for 9:35 from Johns Hopkins University.

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Anonymous wrote:Surprising. Usually they are restrictive with pain meds.

I'm not naturally one to resort to suing but yeah I would in this case.

What would you sue for? The cost of the Narcan? You aren’t going to find an attorney to take this one on contingency.