colleges outside top 25 (and not a nescac) that place well in finance..

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

I do not mean to be disrespectful, but this is one of the most poorly written & reasoned posts that I have read on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

I do not mean to be disrespectful, but this is one of the most poorly written & reasoned posts that I have read on DCUM.

Yep. If pp was actually at GS, he/she must’ve been “equities in Dallas”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors. Furthermore, DCUM thinks a finance offer at age 22 guarantees a successful career and happy life. As long as your high school nincompoop gets into a school with the right "connections", your helicopter parenting is over, and you can retire.

Anonymous wrote:My nephew just graduated from Lehigh with a job in finance. He was a business/computer sci major and had great internships and several offers on Wall st.

Now you are just spoiling the DCUM narrative! Your nephew went to a school known for engineering. Then he learned about computers in addition to business. In other words, he acquired skills. He could be self-sufficient and work with data and software tools. Good for him and his employer!

The DCUM attitude is immature and short-sighted. You expect a kid to be singularly focused for 21 years. How about letting the kid learn what he likes? How about urging the kid to learn versatile math and computer skills? Then the kid can do finance, business, science, engineering, or medicine. If the kid becomes smart and skilled, then he can get a top one-year masters in the field of his choice. Is it so terrible to start a career at age 23 instead of 22.?

Here is a thought. Get CLEP and AP credit, and take an extra course each semester, or online during winter/summer breaks. Then you can graduate in 3 years instead of 4. DCUM never discusses saving a year of college, but everybody complains when I suggest getting a one-year masters degree after becoming more educated and mature about the career field. The focus on schools with "connections" and "placement" is why I suspect y'all are raising a bunch of incompetent nincompoops who can't get a good education or job on their own merits.

What's your point?? major in STEM?
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

I would add business analytics and MIS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

Don’t ask a business professor where to get a good education in business? Really?

This thread is reaching an amazing new level of stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

Don’t ask a business professor where to get a good education in business? Really?

This thread is reaching an amazing new level of stupid.

Argument from authority fallacy.

It doesn't sound like a good advice in many ways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

Don’t ask a business professor where to get a good education in business? Really?

This thread is reaching an amazing new level of stupid.

Yes, really. The same way a man shouldn't ask a woman how to be successful with women.

The students (or prospective students even) will be far, far more knowledgeable than any professor. Go do some reading on WSO.

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Anonymous wrote:Bucknell and Lehigh grads with high gpa’s get front office jobs if they target it and are singularly focused on getting it the moment they set foot on campus as freshman

Business professor and Goldman Sachs alum here. I have sent Ph.D. students to become professors at Colgate, University of South Carolina, and have a former colleague at Lehigh. I was first-generation college and didn't even know what an investment banker or engineer was at age 17. I can't relate to a teenager who is "singularly focused" on such a narrow field.

Typically, DCUM fails to discuss the quality of education in finance, business, or other majors.

What schools provide the highest quality of education in business and finance? Are they "the usual suspects" (highly selective high prestige schools) or are there some "hidden gems" among the finance/business education schools?

Who cares about the "highest quality of education"? People major in business to get good jobs, not to "learn" about business. The most coveted positions generally require very little specific training.

Well the PP business professor cares and that's why I asked him. As you have nothing to contribute you should just STFU.

Because unless you're looking for advice on PhD programs, this supposed "professor" probably isn't the person you should be asking. And if he actually worked FO at Goldman he'd know how the game works.

Don’t ask a business professor where to get a good education in business? Really?

This thread is reaching an amazing new level of stupid.

I did not write either post above.

Professors tend to be subject matter experts; typically, they are neither career advisors nor educational consultants.

[Anonymous]

There is a lot of truth in the old adage: Those who can work in the private sector; those who can't teach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I generally agree but not everyone is into STEM

Finance and accounting are great for non-STEM people

I would add business analytics and MIS

Business professor again: I worked as a quant. Wow, lots of hate for telling the truth about helicopter parents who lack faith in their kids.

Accounting has merit, but DCUM insists on front office investment banking, not sales, trading, research, asset management, nor risk management. Certainly nothing pedestrian like accounting.

Analytics and MIS are STEM by definition. The problem is that undergrad business curricula are broad and flexible enough to allow lightweight STEM. You should seek the more rigorous STEM courses, inside and outside the business school. If you want authentic Chinese food, then you should go to restaurants where the Chinese are. Whoops, that is not a terrible heuristic for STEM. But you want to go where the nerds are, in math, science, computer science, and engineering.

What if your kid is a greedy stupid nincompoop, uninterested and incapable of learning anything challenging? Then I guess he must work long hours as a spreadsheet monkey. I don't see any other reason to pay him.

To be fair, I'm not sure how I would judge the quality of undergrad business programs. But I don't want to shoehorn my kids into a profession. I'll just steer them toward a place with the most general opportunities, and encourage them to experiment and challenge themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those who can work in the private sector; those who can't teach.

Nice way to antagonize all the forum participants who are government workers, teachers, or SAHM's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who can work in the private sector; those who can't teach.

Nice way to antagonize all the forum participants who are government workers, teachers, or SAHM's.

Was not my intention to antagonize anyone; nevertheless, it is true.